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Why not try something different atleast? Bunt on his ass, get him moving off the mound

Pirate hitters have looked terrible. Alvarez would have been better just sitting with the bat on his shoulders. They take fastballs, miss hanging pitches, then swing at everything out of the zone. Our only hope for a Cubs loss is for the Cubs to have some disasterous and unexpected implosion.

I'll give him this, Arrieta has good control of the fastball to Cervelli......but yet again crappy offspeed pitches.

QUOTE (fathom @ Oct 7, 2015 -> 07:30 PM) Something I love about Pirates fans is they are all convinced Arrieta is on PEDs I haven't heard that, but I know I've read that his delivery and where he squares up and throws is technically illegal in an MLB article today. Also, I'm surprised no one has ever been concerned of Arrieta's delivery. His backwards loading and throwing across the body cannot be healthy long term. Especially since he's only relatively recently developed it.

Every start I watch of Arrieta he's hanging pitches and leaving up changeups at an alarming rate. I sit there wondering how no one else sees it. Someone needs to start sitting on them

Hell no, at this point in the season I'm rooting for a loss. We need every advantage we can get in the overall draft standings. That means more to the success of this franchise than Shark winning a meaningless game in September. Although really they've all been meaningless since July.

QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Sep 25, 2015 -> 03:13 PM) Don't forget defrauding the Padres for Rizzo. A couple of these things go differently, and the Cubs are still in rebuilding mode. I wouldn't mind the White Sox defrauding a team or two with such a trade. It'd really help our progression forward to not give up talent to receive talent. Really, looking back when is the last terribly lopsided White Sox trade in our favor?

Rodon and Trayce.....two reasons I'm tuning in.

QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Sep 25, 2015 -> 02:01 PM) Why? If he had any defensive value then I could understand it, but he can't hit lefties and would be our DH. After his hot start he's hitting .159/.278/.402 in his last 30 games with 40 Ks. The White Sox should regret about a lot of moves these last few years, but drafting Rodon is not one of them. Even considering our offensive struggles and Schwarber's potential. We should actually be appreciative Houston and Miami gave us no other premier (at that time) pitcher to choose from.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 25, 2015 -> 12:36 PM) Your underlying assumption here is that it can't get worse. I feel that isn't accurate at all. Attendance will get worse, that's guaranteed. But by how much? I don't believe we'll ever fall below Tampa Bay, who to date has drawn 500,000 less fans than us. I just hate this idea that we're almost forced to compete every season because people (maybe management is included) feel that's what draws out the fans. Winning draws them out, and if we had to forsake several seasons to try a new approach -- why not? If it doesn't work we can easily get back to the mediocre level we are now. Let me ask you this, what are you afraid of? If you feel they're not up to it, I'd rather we face those fears and find out. What I fear is it'll be 2020 and we'll be here scratching our heads having the same damn discussion. Think of it this way, would you have cared now what happened in 2010 if they just dismantled their team like Minnesota? Who by the way is the competing for a WC spot now.

QUOTE (Lip Man 1 @ Sep 25, 2015 -> 11:18 AM) With all the discounts and special codes aren't they basically doing that now? Let's put this this way (and I'm not necessarily advocating a complete tear down) how have the last nine years of "rebuilding while contending" worked? Mark And it's the one damn thing we haven't tried to build a contending team. It's like this Boogeyman concept with White Sox fans because of all the terrible things (attendance, irrelevance, not confident in management) we're already experiencing now. How would we know what would happen.....unless it happens? .

Quintana would qualify as the #1 starter on about 15 teams. The only two places he's a #3 is NYM, Dodgers, and a healthy Nationals team It's amazing that fans that see him pitch every fifth day still discount his talent

QUOTE (Mike F. @ Sep 24, 2015 -> 08:43 PM) All in all, a pretty good outing for Sale. If only the offense wasn't little league caliber. He should be getting a no decision at the very least for his effort. I'm encouraged to see him bounce back, especially after his terrible third inning. His HR to Beltran was a fastball right down the plate on a 1-2 pitch, terrible location giving him something so good to hit.

Several nice bounce back innings. Noticed he's throwing his offspeed more. Bad pitch though leaving up a changeup to Beltran

QUOTE (Dunt @ Sep 24, 2015 -> 07:15 PM) Sale needs to relearn how to be a pitcher again next season and not a thrower. Dude has been getting pummeled all September because he thinks he can get by on a 98 mph fastball. Completely abandoning the slider again like April. That's a good point, Sale has become a thrower instead of a pitcher. Whether it's between his head or he's not confident in his slider, his downfall this second half is troubling. His control in the 3rd inning was atrocious and he was hurt because of it. Also Flowers needs to mix in some f***ing changeups and sliders

QUOTE (Swingandalongonetoleft @ Sep 24, 2015 -> 07:11 PM) Some pretty encouraging pitching by Sale lately. This truly is the worst season. Not even our ace is looking encouraging. Whiffed on two fastballs up, so Sale leaves a fastball perfect spot right down the middle on a 1-2 count for Beltran Terrible

QUOTE (fathom @ Sep 24, 2015 -> 07:09 PM) Just an awful second half for Sale. His slider has vanished. He has thrown several good ones today. Flowers doesn't call it enough. Also where is his changeup?

Sale is ALWAYS beat on his f***ing fastball.

And just like that, now Sale's control is bad. What happened!? It's like he's nibbling

Chris locating his pitches well thus far. Nothing hit too hard, either. I'd throw more changeups and sliders if I'm Sale, everything they've hit has been a fastball on the outside

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Sep 24, 2015 -> 05:48 PM) You also said the White Sox should blow their bonus funds on Martinez, and they have worked him out several times. So the opposite would be no interest. Sort of contradict yourself there. Not at all, they should blow their funds on Martinez.....but probably won't. It's that simple. The opposite would be to outbid a highly sought after talent and go over our budget which (as the linked I posted above suggests) they don't do.

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Sep 24, 2015 -> 04:44 PM) I don't think it matters whether they are in the top 10 or not. they don't need to chase FAs. They need to stockpile young talent. And they have more players available to them to do exactly that with a higher draft pick.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Sep 24, 2015 -> 04:30 PM) I would love to have the Abreu money back. Signing Q and Sale to extensions, laughable. Drafting Rodon... You are right just do the opposite they will be so much better. I actually meant it in exactly the context I posted with, the White Sox are not actively drafting internationally compared to the league. The move we expect is for them to NOT be the highest bidder for this player. http://www.baseballamerica.com/internation...al-prospects-2/

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Sep 24, 2015 -> 03:18 PM) That's part of the story, but there is more to it than that. If you are going to blow through your limit, you need to make sure you have a BIG slate of talent who will sign if you do. What you absolutely don't want to do, is blow through on one guy, and miss out on the rest. That's the worst case scenario. So you not only need to make that decision, you need to have a bunch of deals reliably lined up before you make the leap. We're devoid of impact offensive players, if it meant blowing through our alloted money for one player who's a physical specimen......I'd do it in an instant. Just ask yourself what would the White Sox do.....and think the opposite. It'll be the correct move

QUOTE (bjm676 @ Sep 24, 2015 -> 12:41 PM) Blue Jays might complain about the lineup that's trotted out for the Sox. "I thought they were supposed to field a competitive team?" they might say. They may complain....until they realize what our competitive lineup looks like.