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QUOTE (glangon @ Dec 9, 2015 -> 03:43 AM) I've got a sneaky feeling that Matt Davidson may be one of the pieces traded for Lawrie. Davidson and Beck for Lawrie is my theory. My sneaking feeling is to expect us to overpay for him. Montas and Micah for Lawrie and some other prospect

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Dec 9, 2015 -> 01:54 AM) Eh, Lawrie doesn't exactly have world beater value. I don't see the Sox giving up any of their top four prospects. And lets wait for the deal to go through before crucifying Hahn. No, but you know the excuses -- 3B market is limited, we're trying to win now, they must undervalue (insert prospect we didn't expect to be traded but was) I just don't see the prospects thrown around here getting it done. It's obviously close so we wont have to wait long

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Dec 8, 2015 -> 08:45 PM) Chris Rongey ‏@ChrisRongey 29m29 minutes ago It is exactly one year ago, to the day, the White Sox won the offseason with the Shark and Robertson deals. Won the offseason, but unfortunately not the actual season

We're not prying Lawrie away from Oakland with some Beck, Hawkins or Danish as a centerpiece. It's going to involve Montas. I can just see the White Sox thinking of him as a future relief pitcher and selling his value based upon that. Hell, we already hand gifted them Bassitt -- why not another starter!? Hahn does realize there are other teams in baseball, right?

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Dec 8, 2015 -> 10:33 PM) I know that LaRussa and Duncan love Shelby Miller though. That part hasn't really been mentioned. Whatever intangible reasons or moving parts we're all talking about as excuses, point is someone inferior to Quintana received this package and this is what the floor of any deal should be. Will anyone here just shurg their shoulders if he didn't?

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Dec 8, 2015 -> 10:28 PM) I think there are a lot of moving parts to every trade and people shouldn't just assume Q can get a similar package from another team or even would have gotten the same package from Arizona. You may not have known if Arizona would have given the same package, but you can't justify receiving less than this from another team. I'm sorry, you just can't. An equally important part of talking with other teams is an understanding of who may be desparate or appearing to put all the chips in

QUOTE (fathom @ Dec 8, 2015 -> 10:06 PM) Pretty obvious they want to compete in 2016. To me, Hahn has been a massive bust as a GM. His poor moves last offseason have crippled this roster. They're blinded by ambition, then. If we made this trade for Q anyone could have understood its merit. We're not going to compete with even Upton and A.Cabrera in the ALC. We have a pitching surplus for exactly this reason. If they dont trade Q now, they wont next season even if Fulmer and Montas are ML ready. It's just not a White Sox move. They'd trade both prospects for an underwhelming package

QUOTE (bmags @ Dec 8, 2015 -> 10:00 PM) I'm excited by this haul for Atlanta. I'm terrified by it too. I feel like this game is being played and the sox are in the corner playing with their blocks. They're busy trying to move the unmoveable LaRoche meanwhile the men are conducting business But remember, no one will overpay for Q! GMs dont do that anymore!

I'd really like to find out where Hahn was in all of this. It's annoying for me that given what we need, and what Arizona provided, we were nowhere to be seen.

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Dec 8, 2015 -> 08:44 PM) That would be taking 2 steps back to take 5 steps forward. The Sox prefer to take 1 step forward and then 3 steps back. Exactly, and our weak minded management could never accept such a move. Always going for it are the White Sox!

QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Dec 8, 2015 -> 08:40 PM) This is exactly why Q should be placed on the block. The return for him could change the direction of the franchise. It frustrates me reading of another team selling high on a player and taking advantage of another team's willingness to overpay to compete. White Sox NEVER make these deals and they desparately need to. And I don't want to hear, "these trades are rare," because it happens every damn offseason and at the trade deadline. We've seen from Kimbrell and now Miller what the return can be for good pitching. Take advantage of it, Hahn

My problem with Upton is first with the length of contract and AAV required for us to outbid everyone else, and second with how it potentially limits further moves. If we weren't near our anticipated payroll mark already, having Upton would damn near push us over. We'll have significantly upgraded RF, now what about 3B, SS, or 2B? We still realistically need atleast one or two more holes plugged, and even that still may not be enough! A followup question is IF they were to sign Upton, does that now make trading Quintana more or less likely? I understand Upton is an all-in KW Xbox signing, but how I figure is either way they'll be short. Either the rotation remains entact and 1/3 of our lineup in a tough division is still AAAA with little money to upgrade, or Quintana is dealt (obviously depleting the rotation) for a combination of one/two ML players and prospects. Our lineup with Upton AND whatever Q gives us could be a HUGE upgrade. Then, come 2017 we'd hopefully have Montas and/or Fulmer ready. Alternatively, if the rotation remained it could be elite with Quintana and those two ready. We'd also be far more certainty about whether trading Q is feasible depending on the progress of our prospects

QUOTE (fathom @ Dec 4, 2015 -> 04:31 PM) This makes me happy as a Cubs hater Those homeruns will be flying out of Wrigley in the summer.......from both Lackey and Bryant

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Dec 4, 2015 -> 12:35 PM) Schwarber and Gleyber Torres minimum or I hang up the phone. I'd much rather have that deal too, Hahn should concern himself with obtaining the best possible package more than one which fills our current roster. However, I just have this sinking feeling he'll base any trade for Q around multiple ML players to win now (which is going to leave us with a package like Baez and Castro)

When I think of Quintana and the Cubs I envision a trade involving Baez and Castro, with their side eating some of his remaining contract.

QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Dec 3, 2015 -> 12:06 PM) Another factor that hasn't been discussed much is that it could be possible to deal Avila/Navarro at the deadline as rentals if the Sox are out of it by then. Even if they're out of it they'll need someone to catch the baseball and throw it back to the pitcher. Unless either of those two just goes Buster Posey and their value explodes I can't imagine us dealing them. Even then, we'd just be more inclined to keep them for 2017 Also, let's not act like the White Sox will do us any favors and be out of it come midseason. They wait until August and September to collapse

QUOTE (fathom @ Dec 2, 2015 -> 09:39 PM) I'm excited for the change As am I. I'm also pleasantly surprised at how unexpected and un-White Sox it is to atleast TRY something different. How many people here had Alexi as our SS and Flowers as catcher? I'd venture to bet most here, because it's what we expected. Change is absolutely necessary with this team, mainly it's offense, and while I agree Flowers was hardly our biggest concern, he was one. Next unexpected but welcomed move should be riddin ourselves of Garcia

There is absolutely nothing for me to appreciate about Beckham. He represented everything poor about the post 2008 White Sox - failed expectations. I wouldn't root against him or anything, I just hope I never read another "he's baaaaccckkk" thread.

QUOTE (LDF @ Dec 2, 2015 -> 08:28 AM) i will disagree on this and for the following reasons. ~~ of the 8 yr it is going on 3 yrs of when FO gave the timeline ~~ the success of the northside team, they can not let that team continue to do the positive moves per the media outlet ~~ the careers of the main core players, how much longer can the team wait. ~~ the sox will continue to flounder until they, the FO does something drastic and positive that the fans can see.... meaning player movement. ~~ the adv money and success Are we going to hold the FO accountable then when year #3 passes and we've improved to 80 wins? I guarantee this timeline that Williams referenced once has already been thrown out the window. They didn't plan for this team to be as poorly as it was, as if it was their plan all along for a team wide offensive rebound in year #3 of the phantom timeline. I'm not advocating a complete rebuild, but I wouldn't want Hahn to do anything out of urgency thinking of the fans or competing with the Northside. I still think Quintana has to go for this team to move forward. We need another star offensive player, equivalent to Q in terms of value and contract. The Freese and A. cabrera's of the world just won't work. Yes, we won't replace Q with Montas or Fulmer (atleast right away), but considering the overall state of our offense you have to take advantage trading from a position of strength in pitching

QUOTE (LDF @ Dec 2, 2015 -> 02:19 AM) agree and the sox do not have a while. i would even go to some of the teams that has comp picks and make a trade for that pick, to hurry the rebuilding of the minor team talent pool.... if only the sox would have over spent on 1 yr of int't draft. Why don't they have awhile, are they going somewhere? We're already on year 8 without a playoff appearance. If they're going to rebuild the minors it'll take time.

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Dec 1, 2015 -> 05:36 PM) Like others have said, this deal makes Sale & Quintana's trade value sky rocket. They are not trading either of them. Wait, let's examine this. Their value is sky high........so we're not going to trade them? I hope Hahn is willing to examine any possibility, every scenario, for improving this ballclub. If someone wants to overpay you hand either over immediately. And before the inevitable, " we'll never receive fair value," you base every trade proposal independent of others. What will we receive? How many of our holes are filled? This is why us hardcore fans are the best and worst for trade scenarios. We understand our ballclub more than anyone else, but we're so blinded by fan loyalty and our own biases that we can't remove ourselves and make an impartial evaluation of this team. Unless there's a substantial and unexpected offensive upgrade across the entire team, we won't compete. Now, how can we improve that? Platooning Avila and Flowers is only a small step. Granted, there's time to upgrade and I'm not critizing Hahn (yet) but he's not going to build a playoff team based on FA. Someone needs to go, and more than likely, it's going to be Quintana.

QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Nov 13, 2015 -> 07:07 PM) Get going Hahn lol. Man we could clean up if we moved Sale or Q in relation to what the Pads got for Kimbrel. I'd like to thank the Padres for providing the groundwork for what our expectations should be. Which, to say, is even more than Kimbrell. Hahn needs exactly this type of return (adjusted more for a starter, of course) to improve this ballclub

Great start to the offseason.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Nov 13, 2015 -> 03:37 PM) He will get some longer term offers, but I could easily see where he makes the decision to bet on himself and be able to make a lot more money. Then again, you put a 2nd poor year in and that longer term deal is gone. The sad thing is, it seems that a major driver for him not taking the article is he had a lot of issues with the White Sox. All players are different, but given he didn't have a history of issues with two different organizations, it makes you wonder about the health of the Sox culture. So....either way you're right! If Shark were to accept he's going against Boras, because I can't see him advising his client to turn down 3-4 years of more than 12 million per season on the possibility (gambling with health, effectiveness) of earning more next season.

QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Nov 13, 2015 -> 11:40 AM) I see no reason we can't be competitive again by 2017 with the right moves made, it's not like we were as bad as the Phillies this year. A full rebuild means punting on the next 4-5 seasons with no guarantee we'll be any better off, no thanks. The threat of the Royals is way overstated, they're losing a lot this offseason, their starting pitching still sucks, and Holland is hurt all of next year. The Royals are overstated, yet the Twins and Indians are understated. Those three positions may switch. We're exactly in the same spot above the Tigers. And yes, i'll give the standard disclaimer of the offseason has just begun and there's going to be roster changes. I'm of the position that until Hahn proves otherwise, my expectations aren't changing from the end of 2015.