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I'd be surprised if he got that much given his injury history the past two seasons, but we'll see.

But when they cost a team wins they are anything but dumb aren't they? 🤔 If you recall Wilson was asked to close a few times and the results weren't the best plus even as a seventh or eight inning set-up guy he had issues. Sorry in my mind he just isn't very good. Maybe because the Sox are going to lose 100 games again next year you keep him around but blowing SO many games after the 7th inning and losing when you had the lead, the past two years, can't be good mentally for the young players.

An "above average" pitcher who was charged with seven blown saves as well as two losses. I admire your definition of "above average." The key point to Sox 2023's story in my opinion was the fact that the Sox DFA'd him, he was making very little in salary yet no other MLB team wanted him. That should say something in my opinion.

Given how Tucker cratered in the second half and was hurt I could see him resigning with the Cubs on a one year prove it deal for like 20-25 million.

Bellinger declared for free agency today by the way.

Non tender Hill, please non tender Wilson.

Also has some interesting comments from Kevin Pillar: https://soxmachine.com/2025/10/non-tender-deadline-looks-like-a-quiet-one-for-white-sox

Absolutely correct. White Sox fans have shown over the years they will not support garbage and expect ownership to make a solid good faith effort to at least be competitive. If ownership doesn't, the fan base basically says 'the hell with them...' As they should in my opinion.

Geography no longer matters does it? I remember reading in the mid-80's a story in TV Guide talking about a Japanese company that said they were going to start producing satellite dishes the size of large pizzas and thinking 'no way' that's because the only satellite dishes we had at the TV station were huge, one was literally the size of a small house. Yea...times have certainly changed.

He's also parroting the owners line about a salary cap which is why the 2027 season is at risk.

Most guys take a few weeks to a month off then get back slowly into getting ready for spring training. A lot of players have personal trainers that they work with over the off season.

More wasted JR money on stiffs, retreads and has been's. 😆

Get better owners and that division among teams would change. Ironic the Rockies owner said that, he's crushing things attendance-wise, making a lot of money yet continues to put out a crap product.

No worries, we are good!

The person who started the post made a specific comment "Really the key thing is fielding a competitive team year after year. The Sox have never been able to do that." My reply was "I assume you mean since JR took over" because saying the Sox have never done that is factually incorrect. That was the only point I was making. Are we good now????????????????????????

I assume you mean specifically under JR because from 1951-1967 they had 17 straight winning seasons and outdrew the Cubs in 16 of those 17 years.

Don't forget the Ernie Banks fiasco as well as Fernando coming down to the Dodgers or White Sox and the Dodgers got him because they offered 20,000 (twenty thousand) dollars more.

True, but you can go back a lot farther than that.

Hit: No matter how you phrase it, it still comes down to a decision by each team as to whether they want to pay the going rate for a "superstar" or not. Those that won't or can't do so? Well the answer to me is pretty simple, if you can't afford to compete, get out and sell to someone who can. If a team claims or suggests they can't afford to keep top talent, again, simple solution...open the books to an independent economist or forensic accountant and prove it. Forgive me if I don't believe for a second teams can't afford to do so. As was shown in the 94-95 labor impasse when for the only time owners agreed to open their books, they were shown to be manipulating things to make it look like they were losing money. My "solutions" may not be good ones but at least they are something. Let's put it this way if anyone thinks a salary cap is going to be agreed upon I've got a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you. That's not happening...not yesterday, not today and not tomorrow.

Part of this is because seemingly half the teams in the NBA and NHL qualify for the playoffs...and the NFL is going in that direction too. And those sports have their share of teams that consistently are terrible Buffalo, Ottawa, Charlotte, Washington, New Orleans, the Raiders, Arizona, the Jets, the Bears, Cleveland, Jacksonville, the Saints. The NFL, NBA and NHL all have salary caps yet that doesn't make much difference does it? It is a choice by teams if they want to pay the going rate for "superstars", they can if they want to, they decide not to. That's not on the league, that's on them.

And there's no reason for you to, you are simply a fan and that doesn't count for much in this type of negotiation. If something actually takes place you'll hear about it.

I live a few hours north of SLC and just my opinion they could not in any way, shape or form support a MLB team for 81 dates. Not a big enough population to draw from. Have been to Portland many times (Portland State is in the conference) and I'd say the same thing not enough people for 81 games. Basically you are scraping the bottom of the barrel trying to jam a MLB team in there. Charlotte and Montreal are much better options in my opinion.

And some house members are putting together a proposal to make into law that college athletics will start to negotiate broadcast deals as a unit and not as conferences. Much like the NFL, and that all money will be shared equally. As part of the proposal colleges will no longer be allowed to "stream" games but will have to use cable systems and over the air stations in order to reach the most fans (in theory this will increase rights fees and provide more money to make sure women's sports and Olympic sports don't go under in smaller leagues). Interesting concept although I don't think it will go anywhere but who knows. You're seeing that big Texas Tech donor buying spots during broadcasts arguing for the same thing and apparently some politicians have noticed.

Time will tell how it will be received. They are taking a dangerous gamble in my opinion given that MLB wants expansion money above all. And it's clear how the state/local politicians feel given the cool reception JR got. Again we'll see what happens.

I grew up in Chicago and have been a fan for 65 years, my earliest memories of the Sox start in 1960 when I was five years old. I find it hilarious and infuriating that this organization has been incompetent, dysfunctional and inept for so long that the possibility of moving is even being brought up. This isn't the mid 1970's remember when John Allyn was flat broke. I don't want them to move at all but given the situation if they try to extort another stadium and given the disastrous results on the field especially since 2007 then piss on them. With the garbage they have been putting out and the profits that JR has been making for a long time they don't deserve s^&* in my opinion.