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Finally some good news: https://soxmachine.com/2025/12/white-sox-win-mlb-draft-lottery https://chicago.suntimes.com/white-sox/2025/12/09/white-sox-win-2026-mlb-draft-lottery The Sun-Times story takes a look at the potential top picks

It all depends on the return but I'm not in favor of this.

July 9, 2006 - Tadahito Iguchi’s single in the last of the 19th inning gave the White Sox a dramatic 6-5 win over Boston at U.S. Cellular Field in the final game before the All-Star break. Jermaine Dye’s two out, ninth inning home run tied the game at three. Both teams scored two runs in the 11th and the score stayed that way until the 19th. The game took 6:19 to play. It also appeared to take something out of the World Champions; they lost 10 of the next 12 after the break and skidded to a 90-win season.

https://chicago.suntimes.com/white-sox/2025/12/08/white-sox-taking-a-leap-hinges-on-development-of-young-players-not-outside-reinforcements

😆And you believed him?

Yes they fell apart after the break, still finished with 90 wins though.

JR has never run this franchise as a "major market" team. Never has, never will.

JR would have even less incentive to win if Sox fans showed up like the Cubs for two reasons. First he'd have to start paying the state instead of the other way around. Second he'd say (not out loud of course) 'why should I spend money when the lemmings keep showing up to support garbage baseball?'

Bulls have now lost seven straight and 14 of the last 18. This organization is as bad as the White Sox is.

First off he's going to be a free agent soon and the Sox aren't close to being competitive for another two-three years and second, from everything I've seen and read Ishbia doesn't have any say on the on-field player decisions, his money right now is going towards off the field issues.

Frankly I didn't think the Bears were winning today so I'm not that upset with the final score. And they honestly played pretty well in a tough place, they deserve credit. The key game considering the remaining schedule is next week. Beat the Browns, get to 10 wins and you have a very reasonable chance to make the playoffs as a wild card.

Don't know to respond to this. Should we be "relieved" for wont of a better word that the White Sox, Rockies and A's are being talked about in the same sentence? Instead of the White Sox by themselves? 😐

It already is a laughingstock. The published comments from former players to national outlets goes a long way in explaining how bad things have gotten.

When Ishbia takes over until then you'll get dumpster diving retreads and like it.

https://www.chicagotribune.com/2025/12/04/mlb-players-union-labor-negotiations/

Wasn't speaking about Getz specifically in this case but as I pointed out the arrogance has been linked to JR, Kenny Williams, Don Cooper, Einhorn, Hahn and others with their public comments towards the fan base. Even Garfein has had his moments.

Sox Machine looks at the signing: https://soxmachine.com/2025/12/following-up-anthony-kay-fits-white-soxs-type-perhaps-too-well

https://www.mlb.com/whitesox/news/white-sox-prepare-for-2025-winter-meetings

Speaking of Manfred and the probable lockout. Here's an interesting story on some "cheap" teams trying to spend and why: https://defector.com/why-mlbs-cheapest-teams-are-at-least-trying-to-seem-like-theyre-trying

They had four years above .500 between 81 and 85. 81,82,83 and 85. JR was still the owner and could have said no to the deals that brought in Bannister as a free agent, outbidding the Yankees which got Steinbrenner PO'd, and the trade for Cruz so he has to get some credit. I'm the very last person to talk in a positive manner about JR but fair is fair and there was a time period where he actually cared. Those days are long gone and the way he has destroyed the franchise can't be excued in any way, shape or form.

Didn't believe it for a second. My "trust" of JR was never solid, all I was saying was that based on results in the time period from 81-06 he earned the benefit of the doubt. Since 2007 the benefit went by the boards.

A long solid story on Manfred's legacy. And yes, the upcoming labor lockout is discussed in detail: https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/rob-manfred-legacy-mlb-commissioner-pitch-clock-astros-cheating-scandal-pete-rose-cba-lockout-expansion/

Well for one thing Cali at least JR was trying to win back in that time period. One example was the period between 1981-1983. Every year the organization made the moves and/or spent the money bringing in good players: 81-Fisk and Luzinski 82-Kemp and Paciorek 83-Bannister and Cruz Given they also had 16 winning seasons in that time period is why I thought JR got the benefit of the doubt. Since the start of the 2007 season, the results speak for themselves. You're reasons regarding Getz are valid he's under real handicaps. But also look at what he hasn't done? All the money literally thrown away on his acquisitions where other "small market" teams have had better results with their bargain basement signings. His lack of success as head of the minor league system for all those years also is a major red flag. (In all that time, even with a cheap owner, they couldn't produce any solid players? And just the way he was hired, fair or unfairly leaves a bad taste in the mouths of Sox fans including myself.

Because the owners are stupid? There are always a few who think that "breaking" the MLBPA is just around the corner.

Since when have baseball owners done logical things in regards to labor relations with the MLBPA? Just look at their history.