Jose Abreu

You should freak out about the fact that you're not freaking out.

You know Soxtalk is losing its collective mind when a Bob Nightengale tweet is taken as gospel

So the real offer is 8/240, and Lozano wants people to believe that it’s 8/280. Thanks Bob

This reminds me of the people who argue that the Bears lost the Mack trade because it ruined their cap space

Phils, Sox, and Padres are my guess for his long-term offers

The Nightengale kiss of death.

Negative

Yeah, especially the Yankees one. These are last minute desperation shots to me.

Yoan has been taking grounders at 3rd since August/September

Very interesting indeed. It's almost as if the Sox want it this way.

The rage is already here and that situation probably hasn't even happened.

Just think of it this way- does anyone really believe that the Sox would have had multiple meetings with Harper, laying a lot of groundwork, etc. just to sit back and not make an offer on him as the bidding is reaching its final stages?

Didn’t Dunning just have the one issue? Whereas Hansen had multiple, plus setbacks?

It’s a fake rumor from the same MLB Insider account that reported Machado to the White Sox last week

another Boston account too

The Patriots insider guy is back

Where does the other 1/10 come from? 1/2 chance at a son and 1/10 chance at him being a lefty coming out to 1 in 20, no?

Then I don't know why he's supposedly signing with the 3rd place Phillies who might not even finish better than 4th in that division.

I agree, and to clarify, I'm not trying to argue that Engel is the #11 defensive CFer. Just that his arm negates some of his defensive value.

Fangraphs has Engel at #11, partially because his arm is so bad. I think he's better than #11 but it's still something to consider. Engel's biggest strengths defensively are his range and instincts. Given Robert's speed, I'd assume that his range is the same or better. Instincts are where my argument falls apart since I haven't seen Robert play personally, but his (likely) better arm and similar range are pretty important to me.

Isn't Bowden the one who was adamant that we had traded Sale to Washington?

I agree with you on Gonzalez being safe. With respect to Robert, I'll emphasize that I think he'll be a "competent major leaguer" at worst, if healthy. I firmly believe that you could put Luis Robert in center field for us right now and he'd be better than Engel. He's faster, offers more range defensively, and has a better arm. He's raw offensively, so I'm sure his hitting wouldn't be very good, but a 67 wRC+ isn't very hard to match given his tools. He certainly held his own against more advanced pitching in the AFL last year. Even if strikeouts are always a part of his game, I'm confident that a healthy Robert's defense and speed alone will give him value, but that he will develop as a hitter and tap into his raw power so that he isn't just a slightly better Engel. Either way, health is the biggest question mark for him going forward.

I agree that they won’t all pan out, and I’m also not worried about the “problem” since these things usually work themselves out. But I’d be willing to bet that at least 3 of the outfielders I listed become competent major leaguers or better (Jimenez, Robert, and at least one more), if healthy. Having 7+ outfielders with that potential corresponds quite literally with the definition of a “logjam of talent in the outfield”, “talent” being the operative word. I suppose our disagreement is more or less about semantics.

What? Do the Sox not have 7+ quality outfield prospects in Jimenez, Robert, Adolfo, Gonzalez, Basabe, Rutherford, Walker, etc?