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QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Jul 21, 2016 -> 10:13 AM) For the record, I think this is a rush. I think he's got a lot of development left to do, physically even, and I hope the Sox aren't thinking about him for MLB in 2017 spring. He's a different pitcher now than he was before too, a lot of people don't know that. Detailed in his profile on FS. I was thinking 2018 at the earliest and that was if things went perfectly with his development.

Lol at WSD. Stop being an insider if ya don't want people blowing you up. It's easily Boston. DD is a home run hitter and always shoots for the moon. I'm curious about the offer though

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jul 20, 2016 -> 10:33 PM) Profar has three years of control left and is represented by Boras. He can't be the main chip in a deal for Sale or Quintana. Agreed

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Jul 20, 2016 -> 09:15 PM) Hard pass on Gallo. The dude tries to homer on every swing and those kind of guys haven't panned out with us as of late At all honestly

QUOTE (Dunt @ Jul 20, 2016 -> 08:33 PM) Just so everyone has a clear idea of the value of Quintana, Cole Hamels and Jake Diekman were traded last year for 3 top 100 prospects (Thompson, Williams, and Alfaro), a MLB starting pitcher (Harrison), and a solid young MLB starter (Eickhoff). Since Q has become a full-time starter, he's been worth 2 more fWAR than Hamels and would have an extra years worth of control. That is the baseline for a Q trade. If you want to talk Sale, better be ready to push all your chips into the center of the table. Neither should be or will be cheap and the Sox are in no rush to get rid of either. Fantastic post. That's why Sale's package would be unprecedented?

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Jul 20, 2016 -> 07:48 PM) Q and Duke to Boston for Benintendi, Devers, Rodriguez, and Kopech Q needs to bring back Moncada or f*** them IMO.

QUOTE (hi8is @ Jul 20, 2016 -> 07:45 PM) I will never agree with the thought that Sale doesn't return at least a clubs too 4 young guys... As a starting point. You little need to be raping a team in order for them to get Sale. I agree that Boston is the place to go with Q. I agree about Sale. But a team is going to have to give up a lot but the Dodgers would be almost ripping up their team just for Sale. No team will do that but I think LAD is where I'd move him to so he can dominate us ever year. Plus I don't want sale in Boston with that fan base ugh lol.

QUOTE (hi8is @ Jul 20, 2016 -> 07:38 PM) Sale to LAD for: Urias, De Leon, Seager, Holmes, Bellinger, and Pederson. Q to TEX for: Profar, Brinson, and Tate That's what I'm asking for if I'm in Hahn's seat. That's too much for Sale. I think you may get to pick one of Seager, Urias and Pederson. That's too little for Q. I try to move him to Boston for Moncada.

QUOTE (hi8is @ Jul 20, 2016 -> 07:21 PM) Regarding 2018 / 2019... If they sell Q - they sell Sale as well... Be it this offseason like you mention or not. If you keep Sale - keep Q as well. Keeping one or the other would be more of this half assed rebuilding/retooling s***. Pick a direction and go that way. I agree but this organization does half ass it. I would be intrigued with Hahn in a full rebuild and no one in his way. Just hope he doesn't make an Avi mistake. My issue with him is his FA signings have sucked minus Melky and Robertson. Duke is pitching better this season but overall hasn't been good.

I think they deal Sale this offseason unless they're blown away before the deadline. I can see Frazier, Melky, Q, Robertson at least.

Man if the Indians add Lucroy. This is the time to sell. But can Hahn formulate a competent plan with KW overseeing it? Not so sure. I don't know how involved KW is but I'm sure he's lurking over it. Didn't he tell Hahn no when Hahn wanted to sell Samardzija last June? Injuries to Dodgers and Rangers could help the sox get good returns.

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Jul 20, 2016 -> 05:23 PM) Agree and agree He's doing fine but I think they rushed Anderson no question. Now is the time to be patient if they decide to sell.

Please please sell guys. Just gut this major league roster and accept your fate. Take your lumps now and hope around 2019 you can be ready to compete.

Yah. Jerry needs to accept the reality that this team sucks and has to rebuild.

Dodgers have issues with Kershaw. Come get A or Sale

Come get Abreu, Texas.

Sox will never get back over .500. f*** it. Better than any false hope. This team sucks so bad.

I really want the sox to not rush all of their hitters. They always do though.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 20, 2016 -> 11:41 AM) If you look back over the past several seasons including this year, Lawrie is going to come out at about a 1.5 fWAR per year player. He's not going to make your franchise but he's no where near a liability. With his level of consistency and ability to play both 2b and 3b, that's a $10 million a year player on this market, give or take. I wouldn't be surprised if extending him took 4/$40 or more on the years side considering he'll be filing for free agency before turning 28. However, he might actually have a bit of motivation to give a discount if you wanted to extend him before that because he's going to hit free agency after 2017 during the huge splurge in spending. With the number of guys who are flat out better players than him on the market he could wind up in the boat guys like Desmond and Fowler were this year - wanting a solid contract but finding that most teams filled their needs or spent their funds on better players. At least, that's the advice I'd be giving him if I were his agent. He's young enough and doesn't have great trade value, so you could extend him and that'd give ya one less hole to fill for a few seasons and would give a decent young core to work with while we rebuild. Eaton, Anderson, Lawrie, Rodon and Fulmer.

QUOTE (WhiteSoxLifer @ Jul 20, 2016 -> 09:26 AM) If the Sox are going to move the likes of frazier, melky, Robertson, etc they should go into full rebuild. Sox dont have anyone internally that can really fill those positions. saladino would either play 3rd or Lawrie gets moved there and saladino goes to 2nd. Im not sold on saladino being a every day player especially if you are tryng to contend. outfield would be eaton, shuck and Garcia till jackson comes back. Thats not very good. Mostly likey jackson is gone after this season and probably so is garcia. Thats 2 spots to fill and next yrs free agent class isnt good. Sale has stated he wants to win and i highly doubt he wants to sit through a rebuild for whats left of his contract with the sox. Frazier, melk and Robertson should bring back prospects but not the quality or quantity sale, Quintana or even abreu would command. If they start selling go full rebuild, dont half do it I'm not sure what kind of value Brett Lawrie has. I'd extend him and keep he and Eaton. Keeps those two positions locked down. Lawrie has been what I thought he'd be. Honestly he's what I was hoping Beckham would turn out to be after I knew he wasn't going to be a stud. I'd much rather have Lawrie at second that Sanchez. I agree with a full rebuild I just know this team doesn't like to do it that's why I mentioned maybe keeping one of Q or Sale. I'm just all up in arms about this team so I'm going back and forth about full rebuilds or how they can fix it quicker. That's why I had my 2018 idea about a quicker fix than a full rebuild. I'm not sold on Saladino but he could at least fill a hole temporarily until someone's ready. We have some options down there but not many great ones. I'm hoping Engel can lock down CF next season. I'm all for a full rebuild. It can work. At least I think it can with the way they've been drafting.

This organization is starting to draft better the past few seasons. I think they could sell high on some guys and do well. The key would be the lesser known guys they scout and how many they could hit on. I'm down on Hahn and have gone back and forth. I just don't want them to buy. I think they could move guys like Melky, Frazier and Robertson and do well at the deadline. Then wait til offseason to move the one or both of the main studs. Not sure Sale would want to be part of a rebuild. Q might be more willing and you would get a better package from Sale so moving Sale might be the better option if you don't move both. Ideally, you should move both. I'm just speaking hypothetically about if Sale would or wouldn't want to be part of the rebuild obviously.

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jul 19, 2016 -> 10:58 PM) Because people expect 4th OFs to be All-Stars on this board. Not Jose and I. We were just commenting last night how well he's held down the fort there in center. He always hustles, has made some nice plays (Boston in particular) and has hit decent the more consistent ABs he got.

They're not getting Sale without giving up Bregman. Sorry. Bregman, Reed +. Not too familiar with their system but I know those are two I'd want.

QUOTE (raBBit @ Jul 19, 2016 -> 12:36 PM) Rangers Nomar Mazara Jurickson Profar Lewis Brinson Joey Gallo Dillon Tate Dodgers Yasiel Puig Austin Barnes Grant Holmes Jose De Leon Red Sox Benintendi Swihart Rafael Devers Eduardo Rodrgiuez Henry Owens Astros Michael Feliz AJ Reed Alex Bregman Francis Martes Derek Fisher I don't think the Red Sox would trade Betts/Bogaerts/Moncada and the Astros won't trade Springer and probably not Bregman either. To me, if the team explored trading Sale/Q (they will look but not make the leap), the Astros with Bregman + or the Rangers are the best options. Agree. But I wouldn't trade sale to Boston or Houston without Moncada or Bregman headlining the deals. Q? That's a different story possibly. Same goes for LAD and Texas. Need Urias +. Texas would be Mazara+ Sale is way too valuable to not get top prospects.

I don't even know what Puigs value is? Would be an ok buy low candidate for this team since they don't have a ton of prospects to deal. Swap he and Avi lol. Nice change of scenery trade for both players