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QUOTE (ChiSox59 @ Dec 22, 2016 -> 10:05 AM) The White Sox plan is 100% to use Collins as a catcher. They've said as much recently. Whether or not that will happen remains to be seen. But they'll be patient with him. But I do agree that acquiring another interesting young catcher doesn't hurt. Especially one that is ready, good defensively, and can help these young pitchers develop. All of us are high on Meadows, but I feel like we should pause and consider if the upside of Glasnow is arguably higher? Glasnow has a ceiling of a true #1 ace starting pitcher if he can improve his command. At every minor league level he has dominated, he just needs to cut down on walks. Meadows looks like he could be an excellent player, but a true #1 starter is even harder to find. If Glasnow is on the table and we pass, I could see the White Sox regretting that move in a few years.

QUOTE (Buehrlesque @ Dec 22, 2016 -> 09:19 AM) I wouldn't be. Meadows has to be the headliner for me. I'm open to a package without meadows, but the return needs to be big. Glasgow, bell, Newman and Keller

QUOTE (ozzfest @ Dec 21, 2016 -> 06:27 PM) I don't think this is a genuine effort to rebuild. I believe they just got rid of the guys that management didnt get along with. The same thing happened with the Bulls. A full rebuild does not happen in a few weeks. It takes two or more sides to agree on a trade. This is a full rebuild, be patient

QUOTE (WhiteSoxLifer @ Dec 21, 2016 -> 05:55 PM) Yanks did show interest in Quintana (@jonmorosi on it) but don't want to part w/frazier or Torres so likely a non-starter https://twitter.com/JonHeyman/status/811720851435438080 The conversation would not lead anywhere if their best two prospects are not on the table Sox held out and got a haul for Easton and sale. I expect the same for q

QUOTE (bmags @ Dec 21, 2016 -> 03:58 PM) Those are all good but that dodgers package blows the rest out of the water. Agreed. The Dodgers package proposed is a monster haul

QUOTE (beautox @ Dec 21, 2016 -> 03:55 PM) Pirates / Rockies Yankees Astros Rangers Luis Escobar is a nice looking lotto ticket if you're risk adverse to Taylor Hearn That deal seems terrible for the sox. Q should bring a sale like haul himself. Robertson a top 50-80 prospect and a lotto ticket possibly more if they eat some of his contract. Lastly Nate Jones while he won't get quite what the Phillies got for Giles will bring back a mint himself and is in a similar spot to Q where his contract is so desirable that teams pressed up against the threshold would love to acquire him than pay the tax and teams like Pittsburgh that are lower payroll would love to have him in the back end of their pen. I agree, no way I deal Robertson and Jones as throw ins for a Quintana deal

QUOTE (striker @ Dec 21, 2016 -> 03:52 PM) I like IF and CF prospects the most. I'd want a top fielder and top pitching prospect from each. So here is how I would rank them. 1. Pirates - Meadows, Newman, Keller, Diaz 2. Rockies - Rodgers, Hoffman, Tapia, Murphy 3. Dodgers - Bellinger, Verdugo, Barnes, Alvarez/DeLeon 4. Yankees - Torres, Rutherford, Sheffield, Andujar 5. Astros - Martes, Tucker, Perez, Stubbs All of those packages have their own merits and would be great hauls for Quintana

QUOTE (bmags @ Dec 21, 2016 -> 03:38 PM) Down is relative, those players are all incredible. Rodgers is the lowest because to me he is riskiest. Torres at same level makes me rank him higher because of reports on his superior pitch recognition and plate discipline as well as defensive remarks. I'd be so so so happy to get any of them. Any of those guys are potential franchise players, and worthy centerpieces to a Quintana deal Bregman is going to rake for the Astros. He can develop into a big time star. Torres has a very high ceiling, and this season will be an interesting test to see how he adjusts to facing AA pitching. Bellinger can hit, and hit for power. His value is lower if he can't stick in the outfield though Rodgers is far from the majors, but his ISO was impressive this season and he plays a premium position

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 21, 2016 -> 03:35 PM) We'll see what happens with this deal. I think they screwed themselves by forcing the issue with what they need back from a Q trade. No idea if that is a part of what is taking time to develop for these other deals or not. I do still think that they have spent too much time worrying about player rankings instead of organizational fit. Far too soon to say, plus we are not privy to the actual negotiations What we can judge the Sox on is results, and so far we have dramatically improved our farm system with two trades

QUOTE (bmags @ Dec 21, 2016 -> 03:23 PM) Wow I'm shocked you view Meadows that poorly. For me it's Bregman/Meadows/Torres/Bellinger/Rodgers in that order. Tough call, I'd rank them: Bregman Meadows Torres Bellinger or Rodgers is tough, if you view Bellinger as a 1B, then Rodgers...but if he can stick in the OF it's much closer

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Dec 21, 2016 -> 03:11 PM) Not too scary. Were they drafted out of high school? We are only talking 3 seasons ago really. Hansen's value is way down since then. He has regressed and is a mid tier prospect, at best, right now

QUOTE (ptatc @ Dec 21, 2016 -> 02:40 PM) If you're going with pitching stats I think SIERA is better. They are all still somewhat subjective but IMHO SIERA is the best at attempting to isolate a pitcher's performance. If you're focusing on SIERA, Carlos Rodon posted the 25th best SIERA in the majors leagues in 2016...very interesting

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Dec 21, 2016 -> 02:55 PM) I think Dodgers would be a good fit for Profar as they are looking to fill the hole at second base. Profar has not been impressive to anyone since 2012 His days as being seen as a top prospect are long gone

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Dec 21, 2016 -> 02:52 PM) Holy s***, there are 140+ users reading this thread. Sox fans are just waiting for the proverbial hammer to fall on Quintana We are in the fortunate position of having leverage in trade talks. The market is the perfect storm for us to land a boatload of prospects. Any offer we get we will just say "Ok, thanks..." and then immediately call other teams and say "Guess what team X is offering me, can you beat that?"

QUOTE (Dunt @ Dec 21, 2016 -> 02:36 PM) I could see something more along the lines of: Mets get - McCutchen, Jones Pirates get - Q, Conforto Sox get - Meadows, Bell, Newman, Gsellman, Dunn/Plawecki Are you referring to Justin Dunn or Kevin Plawecki as the final piece? There is a huge value difference between those two players This proposal effectively swaps McCutchen for Conforto straight up. Which I'm not sure makes sense to the Pirates. Mets effectively only give up Conforto/Gsellman/ (Dunn and Plawecki have hugely different values) for McCutchen + Jones which feels light

QUOTE (peppers312 @ Dec 21, 2016 -> 02:31 PM) is it at all possible that a sub-par White Sox team affects Quintana's value if he goes into the season as the #1? i mean what if the wheels come off because of a crappy team surrounding him and he has a bad year...? FIP is a stat that takes team defense into account when evaluating a pitcher Quintana's career FIP of 3.47 is excellent He is certainly a top 20 mlb starting pitcher, no matter how you slice it

QUOTE (ptatc @ Dec 21, 2016 -> 01:50 PM) I agree. I think his floor is a good mid-rotation starter. For all the talk of Giolito's stock being down, he actually put together a very nice season in AA/AAA for being 21 years old In 7 AAA starts he had a 2.17 ERA , 37 1/3 IP, 31 hits, 10 BB, 40 K's, 1.09 WHIP That is not shabby at all for a guy who would still be in college ball right now normally

QUOTE (Dunt @ Dec 21, 2016 -> 02:09 PM) They have nothing to offer anyways if Mazara isn't part of the package I seriously do not get the Profar love. He is only under team control for three more seasons, and has been a replacement level player so far in his mlb career. Hard pass

QUOTE (Con te Giolito @ Dec 21, 2016 -> 12:51 PM) You're telling me if Huntington offers Glasnow and Bell + that you say no because you require Meadows? I like Glasgow a lot, but ideally we would focus on targeting elite position player prospects in return for Quintana. it would depend on what the entire package looked like

QUOTE (DirtySox @ Dec 21, 2016 -> 12:35 PM) Surprised no mention of Will Craig as part of a package. Though I suppose he is tough to assign value to at this point, being a 2016 1st rounder with little pro experience. Craig should be viewed as a 1b/dh prospect as he has well below average speed and fielding ability. He has a good plate approach, draws walks and should hit for some power, but his defensive limitations hurt his value

QUOTE (Con te Giolito @ Dec 21, 2016 -> 11:43 AM) Quintana is probably as good as gone. It looked a little dicey there for about a week where there was a massive lull since the Gammons tweet about the Astros package, but now the Sox are probably more pitting teams against each other in negotiations rather than pitting them against the threat of just pulling Q off the market. Get the Pirates, Astros, Yankees and whoever else may be calling (its a new team every day now) to each put up their best offers and then roll with whichever they like the most. The odds of Q being the Sox going forward are nearing zero, IMO. I like Q a lot so this is a bittersweet realization. Exactly. Sox are just waiting for one team to offer up the big kahuna package, and Quintana is gone. A bidding war between suitors will only help us land a better package.

QUOTE (Buehrlesque @ Dec 21, 2016 -> 11:35 AM) Bregman, Meadows, Glasnow, Rodgers, Dahl, Torres, Frazier I have confidence that Hahn will negotiate his way to one of those headliners before this is over, or else we'll see Quintana on the hill for the Sox Opening Day 2017. Hahn is not going to let his final blue chip trade piece go without getting a hefty return. Eventually a team will cave and offer up a great package. Quintana's contract makes him incredibly valuable. Houston is not dealing Bregman. I think we can forget about that. Pittsburgh is unlikely to deal Meadows, but I would not totally rule it out. Glasnow could be on the table. I could see Colorado being willing to deal Rodgers and/or Dahl Yankees likely do not want to part with Torres or Frazier

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Dec 21, 2016 -> 11:33 AM) I forgot where I read it, but wherever I read it mentioned that Dunning could possibly be a fast riser. Dunning could be a fast riser and has the potential to be a $4 or #5 starting pitcher. He is far more than just a throw in, and could end being a very solid prospect. It's so refreshing to have more quality options in our farm system than ever before in recent memory. A Quintana trade would give us a totally stacked top 10

QUOTE (Con te Giolito @ Dec 21, 2016 -> 11:32 AM) Yea after seeing the Astros thoughts on what a fair trade for Q or Sale is I have no problems watching them lose the division to some inferior AL West team because they dont have any starters who can pitch over 150 innings with an ERA under 4. I think we all are moving on from the Astros, as they are not ready to get serious with a trade proposal New York, Pittsburgh and Rockies seem like they could all be very much in the mix...plus perhaps a few mystery teams?

QUOTE (BrianAnderson @ Dec 21, 2016 -> 11:30 AM) To me it's half measures. I totally agree they are putting themselves in a position to win again, but would be foolish to think a rotation with McCullers as your #2 (I know they probably list them differently) and Musgrove maybe your #3 by season end is going to win you a WS. That team with McHugh and Morton? Yuck. I'd put the Astros as my second favorite team - partly due because I lived down there and partly because I know watching 162 games of the Sox is going to be brutal as it was last year and the next 1.5 years. The Stros have the ability to move a ML bat and acquire Quintana while keeping their top prospects in order. I know they love Bregman, and I do too, but I'd pull the trigger on that. (from the Astros perspective). From the Sox perspective I want Bregman, but there is something to be said about getting 3-5 prospects rather than just Bregman and 1 other decent + throw ins. I know this is all moot as Bregman isn't going anywhere. But as you said.. you have McCann, Gattis splitting time behind the plate. You have Gurriel who can play LF, RF, 1B, 3B. You have Marwin Gonzalez who can play 1B, 2B, SS, 3B, etc. You have your middle of the field locked and loaded in Altuve and Correa. Springer and Reddick and Beltran... I mean there are more than enough bats to go around WITHOUT Bregman. Either way, enjoy your time down there. I couldn't stand the heat, hence why I'm back. Astros park is alright, weird watching baseball inside for me though. And good luck in Aggie land. I adopted them too when down there, but that's a different type of folk. Super into their Aggies - cultish. So many ridiculous articles out there undervaluing Quintana. http://www.foxsports.com/mlb/story/white-s...quintana-122116 This one suggest that Yankees can offer Frazier + Sheffield + a throw in and that should be enough for Quintana. Quintana is vastly more valuable than the return they got for Andrew Miller.