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QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Dec 27, 2016 -> 03:23 PM) I personally don't think that offer is light at all. I just think Luhnow doesn't realize that in the modern MLB that you have to really go for it when you have a window and that sometimes means trading away quality prospects. Epstein most definitely overpaid for Chapman but it helped them get a ring. Can't be a major league GM and he afraid to make a move like that if you want to win a title. Luhnow believes that his in house pitching will either improve or prospects will step up to fill in the gaps. They do have a decent window to compete, although they are counting on a Keuchel bounceback and McCullers to stay healthy (which I don't think will happen). They also might try out Devenski in the rotation, but he has never exceeded 119 innings in a season. Will be interesting to see how he performs starting instead of relief. Houston might change its mind during the season, right now they are content to hang onto prospects

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Dec 27, 2016 -> 03:17 PM) Eh, Law that offer was light and I'd agree. To me it's because the Astros are like the Braves and don't view Q as a front line starter. Astros and Braves seemed to be the stingiest with their trade offers Yankees are likely cobbling together subpar offers that exclude their top prospects Very surprised the Rockies are not more in on Quintana and/or Robertson

QUOTE (Feeky Magee @ Dec 27, 2016 -> 03:12 PM) Can we not be bitter towards teams who decide not to give us what we're asking for? It's perfectly reasonable to decide not to give Francis Martes, Kyle Tucker and Joe Musgrove for Jose Quintana. Levine's article mentions Kaprielian and Mateo Both players stock are trending downard in my opinion. Mateo was nothing special in 2016 and Kaprielian was injured all season Astros are out for right now, but so were the Red Sox on Sale until deal day

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Dec 27, 2016 -> 01:29 PM) Crazy, messageboard GM proposal Quintana + Frazier + Robertson and cash for Headley, Torres, Rutherford, Sheffield, Tate, Judge, Andujar and McKinney I can't see New York completely destroying their farm system in a deal like that No mlb team can unload 7 top 30 prospects in one deal haha

QUOTE (hi8is @ Dec 27, 2016 -> 01:21 PM) What's your thoughts on state specifically please - seems like his WHIP has been pretty bad so far professionally. For being the 4th overall pick in 2015, Tate's stock has really fallen off of a cliff He posted a sky high WHIP in 2016, and has not pitched above A ball. He turns 23 in May, so he should be more advanced than he is. A 1.60 WHIP in A ball does not bode well for the transition to high A or AA

QUOTE (BrianAnderson @ Dec 27, 2016 -> 11:05 AM) If Bregman was ever an option we'd have him instead of Moncada and Sale would be in Houston right now. He wasn't an option for Sale and won't be for Q. If you throw in Frazier?? Possibly, but I still think they would have found a way to have Sale on their team if he was a possibility. Bregman never was on the table, neither was Dansby Swanson, Trea Turner or Andrew Benintendi Once a player contributes at the mlb level it is much harder to justify moving that player in a trade. It is addition by subtraction. Teams want to preserve the mlb roster in order to improve and deal from the bank of prospects

QUOTE (WhiteSoxLifer @ Dec 27, 2016 -> 10:57 AM) @BNightengale reports Sox -Yanks expanded Quintana trade talks with D Robby. Pirates /Rangers and Astros still very engaged on Quintana https://twitter.com/MLBBruceLevine/status/813790388221804545 Hopefully a bidding war Somebody needs to just cave, give up the big kahuna, and land Quintana Pirates arguably need him the most due to his contract. They are totally unable to sign any big ticket free agents due to payroll constraints moving forward. We keep hearing about talks, but nothing regarding any advancement towards a deal.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 27, 2016 -> 10:52 AM) If they are willing to deal Bregman, they can get a deal done with the White Sox. My gut feeling is that with as by their book as they are, they have no desire to get it done. They are almost Vulcan in that once their logic tells them no, they won't do it. Bregman is not, and should not, be traded from the Astros. The trend we have seen time and time again is that teams are unwilling to deal pieces that are expected to contribute to the 2017 roster right away. Bregman is penned in as their starting 3B and a franchise player.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 27, 2016 -> 10:42 AM) This would also be a nice haul. Torres and Rutherford might be our two top position prospects before Moncada was traded for. I'm sure the Yankees would prefer to include Mateo over Torres, but the White Sox would see right through that That would still leave the Yankees with Frazier, Mateo, Judge, Kaprielian, Acevedo, Sheffield, Fowler in their farm system...plenty of quality prospects still if they dealt Torres + Rutherford + Andujar + Adams/Montgomery Alot to give up, sure, but they have enough depth to deal with it

QUOTE (hi8is @ Dec 27, 2016 -> 10:38 AM) Clearly you can see I'm losing my mind as well All we need is for the Rockies and a mystery club to jump into the rumor mill and we have full on pandemonium So far Astros, Pirates and Yankees have been strongly connected to Quintana

QUOTE (Dunt @ Dec 27, 2016 -> 10:31 AM) Torres, Rutherford, Acevedo, and Fowler for Q and DRob and I'm happy Torres + Rutherford + Andujar + Adams or Montgomery is a solid package

QUOTE (bmags @ Dec 27, 2016 -> 10:18 AM) I feel like i"ve said this a thousand times, but the Ken Giles and Kimbrel trades both happened in offseason and both were prospect heavy toward seller. I don't think Deadline helps that much. BMags, I am totally fine with offloading Robertson and letting Jones close if the right deal comes across That being said, I do not want us to give Robertson away. I see this all as testing the waters to see which club will blink and offer up an "untouchable" prospect or two The Red Sox insisted Moncada was off the table...until he became on the table.

QUOTE (TheFutureIsNear @ Dec 27, 2016 -> 10:10 AM) Why are you acting like Robertson has a lot of value? Robertson adds a couple of B level prospects to the end of the deal. His name shouldn't even be mentioned with Frazier and Torres. Getting both is indeed crazy talk Robertson does have value as the only decent closer available right now via trade, with the exception of Colome. Bullpen help always comes at a deadline premium, and a solid season from Robertson could make him very valuable mid season. The White Sox have refused to deal him for B level prospects, given that NO other closers are really on the market right now.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Dec 27, 2016 -> 10:06 AM) Getting Torres and Frazier is crazy talk. Getting one of them is probably a requirement for 4 years of Q though. Torres/Rutherford ++ would be fantastic deal. Not necessarily If Robertson is included in the deal, along with some cash, I could see that being enough to justify Torres + Frazier headlining a deal to the White Sox Remember, the cost to acquire a #1 or #2 starting pitcher in free agency is absurd, even for the Yankees. Quintana's deal is a steal. With multiple suitors, Hahn is driving the pricetag up as high as possible.

QUOTE (CyAcosta41 @ Dec 26, 2016 -> 03:44 PM) Agreed! Perhaps the most encouraging White Sox development this offseason has been the maturation of Rick Hahn as GM. Hahn is clearly one intelligent dude, but it seems he's learning to use his brains and resources and THEN let the market come to him. Don't chase. Don't telegraph. Don't be KW. His maturation is analogous to a toolsy, but undisciplined hitter who finally learns to swing mostly at pitches where he can do damage. Robertson is a decent closer, who sometimes flashes brilliant, but when he's on he has value as a decent closer and a strong set-up guy. Jones has the velo everybody looks for, and when HE is on, he's got that knee-buckling slider too. Jones also has the Eaton-Quintana advantage (solid + player whose value slots up because of a great contract). Neither are Chapman or Miller, but both can have strong value at the trade deadline. I have little doubt that various GMs - including Dombrowski and Rizzo -- haven't tried to deal for these guys and price them as throw-ins. They are anything but. I'm happy to see Hahn knows the value of his assets, prices them accordingly, and is showing he'll wheel and deal, but at a reasonable price. (And BTW ... spare me the national press that Hahn fleeced Rizzo, or even Dombrowski. In both cases, he demanded very strong prospects for established valuable big leaguers. He found trade partners who were willing to pay a reasonable price, either because of team circumstances or otherwise. Just because many other GMs have begun serious prospect "over-huggers" does not mean GMs like Rizzo or Dombrowski are making horrible or poor deals. They're dipping into strength to purchase established strength. And that's the way it should be. Bravo Rick Hahn .. finally, and so far.) We did not "fleece" anyone, agreed. Both the Red Sox and Nationals were able to improve their mlb roster substantially without subtracting from the 2017 lineup. That always has to be considered a sensible move.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Dec 27, 2016 -> 09:53 AM) Honestly, I think he IS if it is a deal with a ton of depth instead of one that is top-heavy like we usually expect. The strength of the Yankees system is that it is chock full of guys like that. Rutherford/Kaprielian/Mateo/Sheffield, for example, would be a pretty amazing haul. A solid haul, but it is missing the marquee headliner to get a deal done If the Yankees do not make Torres and/or Frazier available I don't see a deal happening. Quintana + Robertson should net both of them Mateo's stock has slipped after a mediocre 2016, I no longer view him as a top 50 mlb prospect. Judge's stock is down a bit too after striking out at an alarming rate in 2016. Robertson will have good value at the deadline, I don't love the idea of including him in a potential deal unless it lands us both Torres and Frazier as headliners

QUOTE (Jose Paniagua @ Dec 27, 2016 -> 08:42 AM) if we give the best starter, closer available + money, isnt that worth torres+frazier +more? Yes, I am not trading Quintana and Robertson to the Yankees for a package short of Torres + Frazier ++ and those ++ had better be quality pieces This all reeks of the White Sox swirling the rumor pot to get Pirates/Yankees/Astros/Rockies/etc to up their offer

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 27, 2016 -> 09:44 AM) I think the question isn't if Robertson is worth one of those guys on his own. The question is would Robertson being in a deal push the front line guy from a guy like Rutherford to a guy like Torres, or would it maybe force it to be two headliners plus two other guys, instead of one headliner and three other guys. Rutherford is not a good enough prospect to headline a Quintana deal on his own. He would be a second piece and Frazier and/or Torres (preferably Torres) would be the main headliner

QUOTE (ChiSox59 @ Dec 26, 2016 -> 10:15 AM) I don't think Jones and Robo are valued remotely close to one another by the Sox. I think the Sox would move Jones, but only for a Ken Giles top return including an elite prospect and at least 1 more top 100 type. Bullpen help at the deadline comes at a huge cost. Better to wait and deal them mid season

QUOTE (iamshack @ Dec 26, 2016 -> 02:47 PM) Yeah, that's a good point, but I think the optics of those two deals may be impacting things more than actual liquidity. There are teams that have the assets and that actually should be in a position to move them, but I feel like they are refusing to pay the same price because of the optics. It may just be a matter of waiting them out a bit longer while they try to play it cute. No reason to compromise, every other team saw the sale return and have high asking prices as well. Sox will insist on meadows plus glasnow or Keller centerpiece a deal, plus Newman is likely. Pirates can balk, but that is their loss. They won't be able to afford free agent pitching help anytime soon

QUOTE (Jerksticks @ Dec 25, 2016 -> 09:47 PM) I just don't understand why the Sox would trade proven Quintana for an unproven right hander who has walked tons of guys at every level. I just watched his start against StL and was unimpressed. Sits 92-94 from the right side and is definitely wild. CIN touched him up twice. Why is this frickin guy supposed to be our prize. The guy we got Lopez blows this stooge out of the water. At least he has electric stuff and is wild. Glasnow has lame stuff and is wild. Glasnow can be a stud in time. If he can improve his control he has frontline starter potential

QUOTE (soxforlife05 @ Dec 25, 2016 -> 09:29 PM) ? Glasnow is easily the best of those 3. Dominated at every level of the minors and didn't even do that bad in his first callup with everything going wrong for him. Not high on meadows. Fills a need I just don't think he's anything special. I don't think the pirates want to trade meadows or bell. Meadows is their cf of the future and bell will contribute right away at the MLB level. Prospects that very well could be in play : Glasnow, Newman, Keller, Hayes, Craig, tucker, Diaz, etc I think the issue is the white sox would require four of those guys in a Quintana deal, too high of a price for them. If they can move cutch they can help offset the prospect cost by including what they get for him.

QUOTE (staxx @ Dec 25, 2016 -> 09:17 PM) I would take Severino for Robertson for sure Maybe, but I think Robertson might have motor value at the deadline than he does right now

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Dec 25, 2016 -> 03:23 PM) MLB's eight potential trades has three Sox deals. All of those offers are terrible Sox would reject every one of those

QUOTE (Baron @ Dec 25, 2016 -> 02:00 PM) Except the free agent market is a little more saturated with pitchers next year plus the changes in team compensation probably decreases the chances he would get traded next offseason if he's still around. The Trade Deadline probably wouldnt happen either. Alot of these guys they are probably asking for will be playing. We've already seen how hesitant teams are to trade players that are contributing on the club in the middle of the season. So the previous post was correct. They need to trade him now if they actually want to. Hahn will take his time in getting the right haul for their final blue chip trade piece