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QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Dec 22, 2016 -> 03:34 PM) Fixed it for you, and all I gotta say is Woof. I don't know if I like the pitching potential, or the offensive juggernaut potential of that team more You would have power: Beer, Collins, Abreu, Moncada, Meadows, Basabe, Machado Speed: Anderson, Moncada, Basabe The ceiling of the rotation is absurd

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Dec 22, 2016 -> 03:34 PM) Fixed it for you, and all I gotta say is Woof. You just beat me to it! hahahaha

QUOTE (ChiSox59 @ Dec 22, 2016 -> 03:30 PM) Balta, what is a good Pirates message board? Trying to get a feel for what they think. I found a few, but very little action on the Q talk. Total pipe dream here = That farm system would be absolutely locked and loaded to compete in the next few years Add in some other shrewd moves and/or free agent signings and you are looking at a playoff team if things go well 1) Rodon 2) Glasnow 3) Giolito 4) Kopech 5) Lopez Pen arm possibilities (or other starters): Burdi, Dunning, Stephens, Adams, Fulmer, Hansen, Clark, Cooper C- Collins (fingers crossed) 1B - Bell 2B - Moncada and/or Newman SS - Anderson 3B - MACHADO OF- Meadows OF- Basabe OF- BEER DH - ABREU As a Sox fan you can dream of a scenario like this... That roster projection is totally loaded

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Dec 22, 2016 -> 03:24 PM) When ARod signed with Texas back in the day, I believe we had the second highest offer at $190M. With a new TV deal being in the works, I could definitely see Reinsdorf being very motivated to make a free agent splash to help boost its value. And clearly we'll have a ton of financial flexibility to fit such a salary in our budget. While it's unlikely we land a guy like Machado, I fully expect us to be in the mix. We will have tons of money to spend, plus free agents will likely notice the sort of team we will be building here

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Dec 22, 2016 -> 03:18 PM) Or somehow Tilson went really, really right. At age 26 with the money the Sox should have, I'm down of he'd be the last piece. Add Machado to that team = WOW Insane level of pitcher and position player talent. I'm not even sure they need someone on Machado's level, just a solid 3B and OF would be great

QUOTE (ptatc @ Dec 22, 2016 -> 03:15 PM) you shouldn't count on all of them being good MLB players. Many of them will not. I'm speculating big big time here, but we would not even need all/most of those players to pan out We have the draft, trades and free agency to build up the roster We would have an amazing amount of payroll flexibility to go out and sign a few big time free agents and try to contend I'm giving Tilesen the benefit of the doubt to stick around, perhaps as a fourth outfielder? He has no power and his arm is fringy, but his other tools are all solid or slightly above average

QUOTE (ChiSox59 @ Dec 22, 2016 -> 03:02 PM) I love how our 4th best prospect in this scenario was the 3rd best prospect in game a few months ago. That farm system would be absolutely locked and loaded to compete in the next few years Add in some other shrewd moves and/or free agent signings and you are looking at a playoff team if things go well 1) Rodon 2) Glasnow 3) Giolito 4) Kopech 5) Lopez Pen arm possibilities (or other starters): Burdi, Dunning, Stephens, Adams, Fulmer, Hansen, Clark, Cooper C- Collins (fingers crossed) 1B - Abreu and/or Bell 2B - Moncada and/or Newman SS - Anderson 3B - ? OF- Meadows OF- Basabe OF- Tilson? DH - ? As a Sox fan you can dream of a scenario like this... God forbid anyone else in our system pans out like Call, Fisher, Engel, Michalczewski, Schnurbusch, etc.

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Dec 22, 2016 -> 02:56 PM) If that happens god damn. We trade Q for Glasnow/Meadows and either Newman or Bell and I am popping the champagne Sox would easily have the best farm system in baseball by a gigantic margin. Zero debate. 1) Moncada 2) Glasnow 3) Meadows 4) Giolito 5) Kopech 6) Bell/Newman 7) Lopez 8) Collins 9) Fulmer 10) Adams 11) Burdi 12) Basabe 13) Hansen 14) Dunning 15) Tilsen Holy f*ck (dare to dream)

QUOTE (ptatc @ Dec 22, 2016 -> 02:47 PM) I agree.The whole purpose of the trade would be to improve the team to make the playoffs. I don't see losing McCutchen and his replacement in one deal making sense for them even with improvement of the pitching with Q. http://www.dailyherald.com/article/2016122...orts/161229711/ No source provided, but speculation that the White Sox asking price to the Pirates is Glasnow, Meadows plus either Bell or Newman I love it. Keep the pricetag really high and force a team's hand. Quintana's contract is especially valuable given the massive free agent deals being handed out left and right. The key for the White Sox is getting the Pirates to agree in priciple for Meadows and Glasnow to headline the deal...and then possibly allow them to negotiate you down to a player like Hayes as the final piece

QUOTE (kwill @ Dec 22, 2016 -> 02:06 PM) White Sox Get: Tyler Glasnow((Pit), Dominic Smithl(NY), Austin Meadows(Pit) Mets Gets: Andrew McCuthen(Pit) and David Robertson(Chi) Pirates Get: Jose Quintana(Chi), Michael Comforto(NY) Justin Dunn (NY) Pirates get two high end guys with control and a young prospect Mets: They get there centerfielder and closer White Sox: We get two high end position players with a young stud prospect pitcher. Close? Other than the Mets giving up three cheap, young players for two guys only udner contract for two more seasons...this proposal actually makes some sense I think Pittsburgh actually gets too much in return by essentially sending McCutchen, Glasnow and Meadows and getting Quintana/Conforto/Dunn back

QUOTE (bmags @ Dec 22, 2016 -> 02:18 PM) But are you better with Conforto in LF than Cutch? Even his down year was better than Conforto last year. Conforto is much cheaper and under control for longer than Cutch

QUOTE (kwill @ Dec 22, 2016 -> 02:06 PM) White Sox Get: Tyler Glasnow((Pit), Dominic Smithl(NY), Austin Meadows(Pit) Mets Gets: Andrew McCuthen(Pit) and David Robertson(Chi) Pirates Get: Jose Quintana(Chi), Michael Comforto(NY) Justin Dunn (NY) Pirates get two high end guys with control and a young prospect Mets: They get there centerfielder and closer White Sox: We get two high end position players with a young stud prospect pitcher. Close? It's an interesting proposal, tons of moving parts White Sox would likely accept that deal. Not sure if it is in the Mets long term interest to part with Smith, Conforto and Dunn though

QUOTE (bmags @ Dec 22, 2016 -> 02:00 PM) Exactly, especially since I'm not quite sure why they are focused on McCutchen to start with Pirates fans seem the most willing to take the plunge and trade for Quintana All other teams are hugging their precious prospects

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Dec 22, 2016 -> 01:42 PM) Pirates get: Quintana and Granderson (1 year left) Mets get: McCuthcen and Robertson Sox get: Bell, Glasnow, Conforto, Smith, and Dunn Thoughts? At first though, I think this is light from the Mets side. Why would the White Sox want to acquire Bell and Smith? Makes no sense since both are 1B/DH only players Feels light from the Mets

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Dec 22, 2016 -> 12:12 PM) The Rockies front office is run by a Random Number Generator, so it doesn't do any good to speculate based on need. On the other hand, you can never count them out. I would absolutely be in on Quintana if I were the Rockies They really could use players like Quintana, Robertson and Jones to help solidify their rotation and bullpen

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Dec 22, 2016 -> 09:29 AM) This isn't a good market to trade Abreu. Maybe next year will be - not sure which 1B/DH are up for FA, but several were this season. Melky looks like a deadline deal; if he has a good year, but get a bottom top 100 for him. If not, then a flier. But that's okay. I'd like to see someone pony up for Robertson and move him before the season to create more room for Jones and perhaps others who could be flipped. Abreu at the deadline or next offseason might be a better market for a slugger like him, agreed

QUOTE (GermanSoxFan @ Dec 22, 2016 -> 11:53 AM) I'd prefer Schwarber. Jimenez and Candelario. Schwarber's value is limited in the NL. And they can't even move him to first either. He would be a logical trade piece. I proposed a Happ, Jimenez and Candelario deal for Quintana as a possibility I doubt either side accepts that, but as a purely baseball trade it would be a good deal for each side

QUOTE (Fantl916 @ Dec 22, 2016 -> 10:37 AM) Everyone needs to chill on sentiments around trading for specific needs. You should be using your biggest guns to just get a talent infusion. Who cares if that talent is predominantly pitching. We can draft hitting in the coming drafts and focus our free agent money on that. Plus having a deep system means you can always be a player in trades. I personally don't want a lesser package if it means getting hitters. And I don't want a crappy catching prospect in lieu of an OF or arm with much much higher upside. I think this rationale I'm seeing a ton of here on this thread is how teams squander opportunities to get the best players. You see it all the time in the NFL draft, a team passes on a megastar whatever to draft a guard because "it's a need". Just take the best effing player I want a return of the best prospects available, regardless of position We have needs all over the place, and you truly never can have too much pitching. It's amazing to think about what the ceiling on a rotation of: 1) Rodon 2) Glasnow 3) Giolito 4) Kopech 5) Lopez could actually do. Plus we still have high upside arms in Adams, Stephens, Hansen, Fulmer, Burdi and Dunning. A home grown pitching staff like that has the potential to completely dominate even the best lineups, and contend each year

QUOTE (Chet Kincaid @ Dec 22, 2016 -> 10:35 AM) Lol I'm going to laugh when Hahn gets Glasnow, Meadows and Bell for Quintana. Hahn gets Meadows, Glasnow and Bell for Quintana he would be worshipped at Soxtalk haha

QUOTE (bmags @ Dec 22, 2016 -> 10:21 AM) Aces are very valuable, no doubt. No argument. But Meadows could be a great CFer which is not necessarily easy to find. I like Meadows alot, and I know we have stocked up on arms and need position player talent. All I am suggesting is that Glasnow might actually be the significantly better prospect in the long run. He has flat out dominated the minors, moreso than any of our current prospects have. If he sorts out his control issues (like Carlos Rodon has started to do), we could be looking at potentially the best rotation in baseball for the next 6 years. We might be able to get a package like: Glasnow + Bell ++ for Quintana...something I would strongly consider. I like Glasnow better as a prospect than any of our current arms

QUOTE (TheFutureIsNear @ Dec 22, 2016 -> 09:57 AM) 11-12, 190 IP, 210 K, 3.45 ERA, 1.25 WHIP Rodon really improved his walk rate in 2016 (2.9 BB/9) vs. 2015 (4.6 BB/9). His 3.91 SIERA was 25th best of qualified MLB starting pitchers. I really think he takes the next step forward this year and breaks out

QUOTE (ChiSox59 @ Dec 22, 2016 -> 10:05 AM) The White Sox plan is 100% to use Collins as a catcher. They've said as much recently. Whether or not that will happen remains to be seen. But they'll be patient with him. But I do agree that acquiring another interesting young catcher doesn't hurt. Especially one that is ready, good defensively, and can help these young pitchers develop. All of us are high on Meadows, but I feel like we should pause and consider if the upside of Glasnow is arguably higher? Glasnow has a ceiling of a true #1 ace starting pitcher if he can improve his command. At every minor league level he has dominated, he just needs to cut down on walks. Meadows looks like he could be an excellent player, but a true #1 starter is even harder to find. If Glasnow is on the table and we pass, I could see the White Sox regretting that move in a few years.

QUOTE (Buehrlesque @ Dec 22, 2016 -> 09:19 AM) I wouldn't be. Meadows has to be the headliner for me. I'm open to a package without meadows, but the return needs to be big. Glasgow, bell, Newman and Keller

QUOTE (ozzfest @ Dec 21, 2016 -> 06:27 PM) I don't think this is a genuine effort to rebuild. I believe they just got rid of the guys that management didnt get along with. The same thing happened with the Bulls. A full rebuild does not happen in a few weeks. It takes two or more sides to agree on a trade. This is a full rebuild, be patient

QUOTE (WhiteSoxLifer @ Dec 21, 2016 -> 05:55 PM) Yanks did show interest in Quintana (@jonmorosi on it) but don't want to part w/frazier or Torres so likely a non-starter https://twitter.com/JonHeyman/status/811720851435438080 The conversation would not lead anywhere if their best two prospects are not on the table Sox held out and got a haul for Easton and sale. I expect the same for q