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QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Dec 19, 2016 -> 10:24 AM) Do you think it's likely that Jones is moved this offseason? Like you said, they might as well move Jones now while his value is sky high and wait for DRob to get back to the way he was before last season and flip him to a desperate team next trade deadline. Robertson will have more value at the deadline, especially if he has a strong season up until that point. Walks killed him last season, and if he can reduce his BB/9 rate he should be just fine.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Dec 18, 2016 -> 10:56 PM) https://www.yahoo.com/sports/news/ryan-howa...-201321226.html Depending on the price, there's almost no risk...just like with Rollins/Latos last April/May. The only cost is potentially blocking at-bats for Davidson/Avi Garcia/Coats at the moment. Something like this is more likely than Morneau coming back to the Sox or paying even more for an Alvarez/Chris Carter/Valbuena, etc. KW always gets his man, etc. Hahaha this would be such a White Sox signing

QUOTE (bighurt574 @ Dec 18, 2016 -> 09:37 AM) No chance Houston does that. If they were to cave and include Bregman, they're not going to include Bregman AND a bunch of top prospects like he's some sort of throw in. It would likely be an either/or scenario. Including Frazier doesn't really change that. If Houston would part with Bregman, Sox would be lucky to get one other top prospect along with him and a few lower level guys. That's basically the Sale deal. We're not going to top that for Q (and Frazier). We can forget about Bregman, he is not getting traded. End of story.

QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Dec 17, 2016 -> 03:54 PM) I think Steve was just being a wise guy, that's all. I really can't fault the guy since I make wise cracks too. It's a long winter for all Baseball fans my friend. Anyhoot. Glad to see a good guy like Shuck find a team. Shuck is pretty versatile so he should find some atbats with the twins in '17. I wish the guy well. By all accounts, he's a good dude. Definitely was not intended as a personal attack, was trying to be funny. Jb shuck is a AAAA player at best and exactly the kind of player that has no business taking the opportunity away from a younger, more talented player. Don't take so much offense man. We're all good

QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Dec 17, 2016 -> 12:51 PM) Lol, we really need some new rumors to emerge or at least some fresh ideas to speculate with. Anyone think the Blue Jays could get involved for Q? Toronto has some interesting position player prospects. Would be nice to see a power bat like Rowdy Tellez in the Sox farm system. Toronto would have to send the sox their best five prospects. They don't have the blue chip prospects that works interest the sox

QUOTE (miracleon35th @ Dec 17, 2016 -> 12:08 PM) The cubs made crazy favorable trades to get Addison Russell and Jake Arrieta. They made much better Draft picks and got lucky that Bryant was there when they had a top pick. They basically stole Rizzo. There is no guarantee that this rebuilding plan will do anything but make the Sox stink for several years and come back somewhere near the middle of the pack. Trading Frazier, Robertson and Melky probably isn't going to net any players that will elevate the Sox to top contenders for a WS. Similarly, teams are not offering players that could be game changers in exchange for Quintana. So this rebuilding plan has a lot of pitfalls. It might be better to moderate the rebuild or half azz it as some say, in order to stay reasonable competitive. There is no guarantee that teh Sox get a top 3 pick in the Draft no matter how bad they are because there are several teams that are probably worse. And, as we have see, even when the Sox have a top 10 pick, they don't a;ways make the right decision. Don't half ass the rebuild. It will take at least three seasons, if not more but we will get there

QUOTE (Ro Da Don @ Dec 17, 2016 -> 11:14 AM) If you're gonna be a sarcastic jagbag, why even bother to comment? Good riddance to shuck. Was joking, didn't know he ment that much to you

QUOTE (Ro Da Don @ Dec 17, 2016 -> 10:52 AM) http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2016/12/twin...p;post-id=80796 Huge loss. What a blow.

QUOTE (miracleon35th @ Dec 17, 2016 -> 10:32 AM) Without Sale and Eaton, but with Moncada and a lot of possibilities for the bullpen and rotation , the Sox , at least in theory, have a chance to win a lot of games. Let's assume they do and fans start getting excited like we did last season. Do the Sox then try to plug in a DH or RF player via trade to improve the team or do they try to tank the season by making trades involving Frazier, Robertson and Mellky that will likely only bring back less than elite prospects ? You won't see moncada until late may or early June at the earliest. It would be unforgivable to waste a year of his service time. If the sox are winning, then great. But 99 percent chance it does not work out that way and we are headed for 60 wins

QUOTE (southside hitman @ Dec 12, 2016 -> 12:51 PM) He is completely overshadowed by Moncada/Kopech, but dude is a legit prospect. Loud tools and if he puts up numbers in 2017 I'd expect to see start popping up on the back ends of top 100 lists. If he can take that currently 45 hit tool and bring it up to a 50 grade league average we will be looking at another top 100 prospect that has the potential to stick in center field

QUOTE (ChiliIrishHammock24 @ Dec 16, 2016 -> 05:21 PM) Just telling you what I've heard. It sounds like a lot of people, including the Red Sox, put Benintendi over Moncada anyway, and I like Law also puts Devers over Moncada. Moncada has an unreal ceiling. I currently like his abilities better than any other position player prospect because of the legitimate five tools. He will need to reduce the strikeouts, but he also knows how to draw walks. If the power and defense develop, he is going to be a monster in our lineup

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Dec 17, 2016 -> 09:12 AM) This x100000 Sox fans get impatient after a week without another franchise altering move

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Dec 17, 2016 -> 08:41 AM) Probably. I bet he takes a 1 year deal with a lot of incentives though with a decent base salary. I wouldn't mind giving it to him. Rockies and nationals need a closer badly

QUOTE (bmags @ Dec 16, 2016 -> 05:07 PM) Might be true, hoping there's a sudden frantic bidding when some team finally provides that final wanted piece and we try to get it countered. Pittsburgh could be a sleeper team, or the Yankees Mets could gut their system with a: Rosario, Smith, Dunn and Nimmo package? Toronto could totally gut their system? Rockies? Astros?

QUOTE (GermanSoxFan @ Dec 16, 2016 -> 04:58 PM) He has no power. Without power his now decent walk rate will go down a lot in the majors. Pretty good fielder and good runner. I just don't see much upside there. His upside (best case) would be that of an above average fielding SS or 2B leadoff type hitter that hits .300 and steals bases That is a valuable player, and he was young for the AAA level by two years, but his struggles in AAA would concern me a little bit He was awesome in AA, but a .650 ops in AAA is reason to think Would I love him in the Sox organization? Absolutely. But, he needs to prove he can handle AAA pitching this season If he becomes the next Dustin Pedroia, I will eat my words

QUOTE (Baron @ Dec 16, 2016 -> 04:53 PM) Seriously that's your ceiling for Albies? With a scouting grade of "20" power, it's not easy to put a ceiling on Albies His ceiling would be Altuve, with far less power

QUOTE (GermanSoxFan @ Dec 16, 2016 -> 04:48 PM) Albies as the headliner for Q would make me livid. IMO his absolute ceiling is Alcides Escobar.. There is not much upside in his bat and we all know the Sox need those kind of bats badly. I like Albies alot, but the utter lack of power does limit his upside considerably. Every other tool it there, and he can be an above average fielder, but I'm not having him be the centerpiece of a Quintana deal Rodgers would be a perfect centerpiece for the White Sox

QUOTE (bmags @ Dec 16, 2016 -> 04:34 PM) I don't think that ATL is a serious buyer for Q, I just find their farm interesting for its lack of high end bats but very interesting young prospects in bulk. It is a farm with a ton of potential, but also a ton of question marks

QUOTE (Con te Giolito @ Dec 16, 2016 -> 04:11 PM) If his catching was up to par with his bat he'd have gone #1 overall. If Collins was a 50 grade arm and 50 grade catcher he arguably would have gone #1 overall I agree

QUOTE (Con te Giolito @ Dec 16, 2016 -> 03:45 PM) I didn't have much interest in the Braves for Sale because I knew they weren't giving up Swanson. But for Quintana its a whole different story. Albies + Allard alone is tempting, not to mention getting Acuna or Riley thrown into the deal. Allard's back issues do not concern you? Realistically Atlanta is not a serious buyer, as I doubt they would be willing to fork over what it would take to land Quintana My asking price would be (assuming no Swanson): Albies + Newcomb + Maitan + Riley + Acuna Atlanta would balk at that, but I'm not even sure I'd take Albies + Newcomb + Maitan for Quintana. Newcomb needs to get the walks under control, walking a batter every other inning in AA is a recipe for MLB disaster as hitters are much more patient

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Dec 16, 2016 -> 02:59 PM) Catching coordinator is the same guy - John Orton. He gets high marks for his development of defensive improvements for Tyler Flowers (who blossomed into a very good receiver), Josh Phegley (who went from awful to serviceable) and others. Also maybe worth a side note, Cole Armstrong - a former catcher - will be the hitting coach in Birmingham, where I suspect Collins will spend much of his 2017. Collins will start in A+ Winston Salem, but I do see him making the jump to AA at some point mid-late season

QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Dec 16, 2016 -> 02:50 PM) I just threw the Rangers out there as an ironic twist to the Astros stance on Q. Definitely not counting on the Rangers jumping in though that could change in July if Q is still in Chicago. Never bought into the rumors concerning the Braves. They have spent the last few years collecting MiLB talent for their rebuild and then factor in the one year wonders they acquired via trade and FA. No team goes out and trades for one year of Jaime Garcia as well as sign the likes of Colon/Danks/Dickey if they are contenders. Those four pitchers were brought in to buy some more time for their young pitching to further develop. I think a case can be made that they might have temporarily tossed their hat into the mix in an effort to drive the price up on their division rival Nat's. The Braves were never serious suitors for Sale, or Quintana for that matter. They seem content letting their minor league talent develop, although alot of it is considerably far from the major leagues (Allard, Anderson, Maitan, Soroka, Wentz, Muller, Riley, Acuna). None of those players project to break into the majors before the 2019 season, if at all.

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Dec 16, 2016 -> 02:31 PM) Push for it the next 2 years. I don't see any reason for him to be up before 2019. I see Collins' bat raking in the minors this season. He was aggressively put in A+ Winston Salem after getting drafted and put up .258 avg - .418 OBP - .885 OPS all after playing an entire college season. Small sample size, but impressive Let him work on his defense for at least the next two seasons, and then unleash him in 2019

QUOTE (illinilaw08 @ Dec 16, 2016 -> 02:27 PM) Interesting to see BA's list here. Collins ahead of Kopech, Basabe at #7, and Adams ahead of Dunning are interesting. But more to the point, I don't think I've ever seen a Sox top 10 list look so good. I don't agree with Collins being ahead of Kopech at this point. If Collins does well this season I can see him shooting up the MLB top 100 rankings considerably though. His bat and patience at the plate are legitimate. If Collins can stick at catcher defensively I really feel like he could be a superstar player. I'm very excited about what he has the potential to become.

QUOTE (bmags @ Dec 16, 2016 -> 02:19 PM) http://www.baseballamerica.com/viewpoint/r...VWVFZhKWsxKw.97 Man, starting to look good. Soon we may be in place where our 15-20 guys are players like May/Engel that have potential to turn bats around and become major leaguers. It's crazy to think about what trading Quintana, Frazier, Melky, Robertson could do to our farm system Getting super hypothetical here: Q to the Rockies for Rodgers, Hoffman and Freeland Robertson to the Nationals for Pedro Severino and Andrew Stephenson Frazier and Melky get dealt for ???? Still likely getting a decent return New Sox System would look like: 1) Moncada 2) Rodgers 3) Giolito 4) Lopez 5) Hoffman 6) Collins 7) Kopech 8) Fulmer 9) Burdi 10) Basabe 11) Freeland 12) Adams 13) Dunning 14) Stephenson 15) Severino 16) Tilson 17) Hansen 18) Engel 19) Fisher 20) Stephens Fanasty thinking, yes...but wow that would be a deep system