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QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Dec 15, 2016 -> 09:37 AM) 4 of their top 10 prospects, all position players? Sign me up. I'm sure Rockies fans would be frustrated if the team does nothing to improve its rotation and bullpen. They have the lineup to compete, but the rotation and especially bullpen leave a ton to be desired. Standing pat is not really an option for them

QUOTE (harkness @ Dec 14, 2016 -> 01:26 PM) If we can't get anything worthwhile for Roberston.. we should wait and see if he can be successful and catch a larger bounty. I really don't agree with the lets take whatever we can get for him now idea - i think you have more to lose doing it that way. The Rockies badly could use bullpen help, I would think they would be very interested in Robertson and/or Jones

QUOTE (FT35 @ Dec 15, 2016 -> 09:16 AM) Agree. It should be high--but the Eaton trade made it even higher. If we get a top 5 prospect, another top 50 and a first rounder for Eaton--then the return on Quintana pushes into the holy crap range--how to you top that? a top 5, 2 other top 50's and another 1st rounder or top 100? What that would look like for Houston would be Bregman, Martes, Tucker, AND Musgrove! They reportedly balked at that and it didn't even include their top 5 piece! I would LOVE to see the Rockies make a push. Frankly, I like their prospects better than the Astros because Rodgers seems more obtainable than Bregman (not sure why, it just seems like it!) For some reason, I can picture Quintana in a Rockies uniform easier too--seems like the type of pitcher they need. Each trade does not need to look exactly alike as you can make up for prospect quality with volume A Martes/Tucker/Reed/Perez deal would be great for the White Sox. Reed is blocked. Martes has not pitched above AA. Tucker is two years away from the majors at minimum, as is Perez. Houston can afford that return as they have great depth and some interesting players in their low minors

QUOTE (Special K @ Dec 15, 2016 -> 09:08 AM) So we can expect another package centered around pitching prospects? I understand the philosophy of stocking up on arms, but at some point we're going to need to go for bats. We can draft bats, but drafting 1 or 2 is not going to improve our depth much (especially when there's a good chance one of those picks busts). Almost seems to be the exact opposite of the Cubs farm philosophy at this point. They stockpiled on positional prospects and then signed pitching (or traded for it). My proposed deal had AJ Reed and Kyle Tucker going to the White Sox, two guys with potential plus bat, as well as Francis Martes and Franklin Perez two potential plus arms That would be a fantastic trade for the Sox, and might be more palatable for the Astros as they do not have to give up an mlb starter in Musgrove, or anyone off the current roster

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Dec 15, 2016 -> 08:57 AM) I don't disagree with any of what you're saying but I would still be a bit shocked to see them make the move. The Pirates do have the prospects to make a deal Glasnow, Meadows, Bell, Newman, Keller, Hayes, Tucker, Craig, Hanson All of those players would interest the Sox

QUOTE (FT35 @ Dec 15, 2016 -> 08:52 AM) Things went quiet after the massive haul we got for Eaton. That deal almost out-priced a lot of teams on Q because he would certainly warrant more of a return than Eaton. It's also set a high floor on what the Sox would feel would be a sufficient return for Q--relative to the first 2 deals. That means teams are basically on the hook for upping that ante past what we got for Eaton and it's possibly added an element of caution to GMs trying to deal for Robertson and Q. "Be careful not to give up too much--like the Nats did--we won't make that same mistake." Hence the delay in rumors. Quintana's price should be high. Now is the perfect time to deal him given the lack of other options out there. Frankly, the Rockies might need Q more than the Astros. Their pitching is pretty awful and they could use a TOR starter badly

QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Dec 15, 2016 -> 08:48 AM) Stephen Piscotty would be a great get but he's probably untouchable at this point. I can't see St. Louis being willing to deal Piscotty, it would hurt their lineup too much

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Dec 15, 2016 -> 08:33 AM) I agree 100%. Doesn't seem like a Pirates thing to do. Unless they unload a couple of the guys at the MLB level for prospects. The Astros seem to be the best fit, but the Pirates, Braves, Rockies, Blue Jays, Yankees, Mets could all be possibilities

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 15, 2016 -> 08:01 AM) A full season of time in AAA is a Long time to keep someone there, if they're playing ell enough to earn the callup. With what they've already said it seems likely these guys start in AAA and are there at least long enough to give another year of team control - late May. Starting guys in AAA and letting their performance dictate when they get called up would already be dramatically different from the path we've had guys on the last 2 seasons where the needs of the big leagues squad determined who got called up more than if they were ready. While a #1 draft pick would be nice, if a guy has earned his callup out of that group, call him up. Turning these guys into successful big leaguers is more important to me than picking #1, and they may darn well hit the next level and struggle anyway even if they're succeeding in AAA. I'm totally fine with calling a player up if they deserve it...as long as we gain the additional year of control. Zero point in burning a year of control though. Fans will need to be patient, as we will not see most of our shiny new toys at the mlb level this season

QUOTE (WhiteSoxLifer @ Dec 15, 2016 -> 08:08 AM) chisox are still listening to offers for jose quintana. astros involved, but of course others r too. 27, 4 yrs control. https://twitter.com/JonHeyman/status/809397872202485760 I really think the Sox would consider a Martes/Tucker/Reed/Perez offer if the Astros won't dish up Musgrove

QUOTE (WhiteSoxLifer @ Dec 15, 2016 -> 08:08 AM) chisox are still listening to offers for jose quintana. astros involved, but of course others r too. 27, 4 yrs control. https://twitter.com/JonHeyman/status/809397872202485760 The list of suitors will go beyond the Astros. Quintana's cheap contract fits into nearly every mlb club's budget. It would be a mistake for other GM's to not speak to the Sox about him

QUOTE (South Sider @ Dec 14, 2016 -> 11:17 PM) It's too bad Colorado or no one else seems serious about trading for Q. Without another contender, Houston can just attempt to do what the Sox did last year with Cespedes... "they'll have no choice but to take our lowball offer." We all know how that turned out for the Sox, and I think something similar happens to Houston. They either don't get a TOR starter to start 2017, or they decide to pay the price. Let's hope they aren't as stubborn as the Sox were, or that another team or two finally seriously jump into this. Just be patient. While I think he gets moved this offseason, it could be at the deadline or next offseason for Quintana. There is no need to rush the process when we need to get the best return

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Dec 14, 2016 -> 04:01 PM) I don't think he is but Shuck in center and Garcia in right would lead to a lot of extra bases for the opponent. Actually, Melky in left would make us a terrible outfield all around in that case haha Melky / Shuck / Garcia might be the worst defensive outfield in the majors

QUOTE (ChiSox59 @ Dec 14, 2016 -> 03:59 PM) Castillo signs with the O's. 1 year / $6M, with a $7M player option for year 2. Not a bad deal. Even though he's pretty bad defensively, I would have loved that deal. I would have taken that deal as well. You could do alot worse than a Castillo/Narvaez platoon

QUOTE (Con te Giolito @ Dec 12, 2016 -> 02:18 PM) The Sox will probably still be better on paper than a few of the tanking NL teams by virtue of Rodon, Abreu and Anderson alone. BUT, the Sox wont face an NL schedule. Sox are in the ultra-competitive AL where the only other teams that could even be considered rebuilding are the Twins who badly want to start winning, the A's where Beane is up to god knows what and the Yankees who still hand out $80m contracts while they rebuild. The Reds and Brewers have to play each other 19 times a year, and they have series against the Braves, Padres and Phillies to boot. When these horrible teams play each other someone has to win, that's what keeps these AAA rosters from breaking loss records. The bilge of the NL is kind of like a self-sustaining organism that keeps anyone from losing too much. No such thing in the AL. The rest of the AL is going to run train on the poor White Sox without mercy. Especially the division where the Twins want to forget 2016 ever happened, the Tigers are going to make another run at it with this core, the Royals are still in their window and the Indians are coming off losing game 7 of the WS in extras. That's 76 games and it is going to be a bloodbath. The loss record is in sight if the Sox keep making trades. I for one hope they dont make history but #1 overall in 2018 sure would be nice. It's shocking to think how bad some NL teams would be if they had to play an American League schedule Going full rebuild in the AL should put us in Minnesota Twins territory of sucking. If we deal Quintana, Robertson, etc. you can pencil in about 60 wins A full AAA replacement level team is estimated to win about 43 major league games, we would not be more than 20 games above that with a rotation of Rodon/Gonzalez/Shields/Holland/Bozo

QUOTE (shipps @ Dec 14, 2016 -> 12:12 PM) I guess but I would think the more efficient posturing would be to feed Nightengale info about other teams being involved, not just the Astro's are the Sox favorite potential partners just not offering enough. They could just tell the Astros that themselves. Other teams could still get involved on Quintana. Nearly every contender could use him

QUOTE (miracleon35th @ Dec 14, 2016 -> 12:07 PM) Out of 8 position players we have two young players, Moncada and Tim Anderson, to build around, and possibly a third Zack Collins,, that could grow into a future core of star players in their early/mid-twenties around the same time. Unless and until that core of elite position player prospects is added to we may not see any light at the end of the tunnel. Time is of the essence in at least accumulating that young core so that they will all reach a career crescendo in the same time frame. With two trades we already have a solid start to the rebuild. It is going to take many more moves to get where we need to be Sox fans just need to be patient

QUOTE (Con te Giolito @ Dec 14, 2016 -> 11:42 AM) Nah the Rangers could get him too if they really wanted to. The Mariners are a non starter though, Tyler O'Niell is all they have and he's barely on the level of the 3rd pieces available from Houston. I can't see the rangers putting a package together that wouldn't really hurt their mlb roster Their farm took a hit with their deadline deal for lucroy and jeffress. Gallo can't hit, don't even talk about profar... I don't see it working

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Dec 14, 2016 -> 11:36 AM) Agree..and hopefully Quintana is moved before the start of the season. I keep looking at AL west...The Astros Rangers and even Mariners are reasonably close and someone should push the chips in for him. The Astros are the only al west team with the prospects to pull off a Quintana deal

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 14, 2016 -> 10:55 AM) There is going to be an explosion of action fairly soon. There are a lot of teams that have done next to nothing yet. Sometimes it just takes some time for a market for certain players to develop. Agreed, there are many teams that have not done much of anything this offseason but still plan to make moves Quintana would look great on any contender

QUOTE (ChiSox59 @ Dec 14, 2016 -> 10:40 AM) Totally agreed. But I don't think we can dismiss what the last 20 years have told us about this organization. Plus, if you can't get anything meaningful for Frazier, Melky, Lawrie - why move them? I'd rather see if the offers are better in June/July, than take some backend top 20 prospect from a farm that will likely never make the majors. What good does that do? Saves Jerry some $, that is about it. Obviously if the trade offers are not good we keep them and try to flip them at the deadline I think there will be enough demand for Quintana and Robertson to get moved this offseason though Frazier, Melky, Abreu, Jones, Gonzalez are more likely to start the season on the Sox roster

QUOTE (JUSTgottaBELIEVE @ Dec 14, 2016 -> 10:33 AM) How do we know that? The front office has already stated they aren't moving those guys unless they get full value in return (in their eyes). Why are we certain that they will receive a satisfactory return this offseason? You do not just trade Sale and Eaton and call it an offseason, that would run counter to performing an impactful rebuild Trading Eaton and Sale effectively punts on the next two seasons, so why keep players around any longer than they need to be? I will not trade them for less value than they are worth, but by the deadline in 2017 you will see pretty much every tradeable asset moved

QUOTE (ChiSox59 @ Dec 14, 2016 -> 10:25 AM) Can you read? In my scenario, I said Quintana and Robertson DON'T get move. That is what "as currently constructed" means. Last I checked, those dudes are still cashing checks from the Chicago White Sox. Of course, as currently constructed we are not THAT bad But, we all know that guys like Quintana/Robertson/FRazier/etc are more likely than not going to be moved for prospects

QUOTE (Dunt @ Dec 14, 2016 -> 10:22 AM) Depending on who they trade off, they could easily be a 50-60 win team next season, and I am more than ok with that. I will actually go out to the stadium and have fun again because I know the team has a direction and a purpose. People think that the Sox will need to suck for a few years to accumulate the talent necessary to really turn this around and I honestly disagree. 2017 will be awful, but in 2018, this team will be quite competitive once again. They will probably need some more development from bats to be a playoff team at that point, but I think between the pitching and potential good defense, they will be pretty solid. 2019 I think they definitely have the makings of a playoff team. Next couple of years are going to be pretty exciting, and while I wont actively root for them to ever lose, I am completely ok with it. We are all wishing the rebuild will move that quickly, but more than likely fans need to be prepared for a more lengthy amount of time to get back to being competitive. I see the 2017 and 2018 Sox being a bottom 5-8 club 2019 I think we get to .500 or slightly above 2020-2023 we compete for the division each season Sox fans should prepare to be very patient, as rebuilding takes time. These prospects are unlikely to come up to the big leagues and dominate right away, there will be growing pains and a waiting game for players to develop.

QUOTE (ChiSox59 @ Dec 14, 2016 -> 10:14 AM) To be fair, I said COULD play .500 ball. Sox won 78 games last year and pretty much everyone besides Sale, Eaton, Q and Melky underperformed. A lineup of: Anderson - SS Melky - LF Abreu - 1B Frazier - 3B Alvarez / Morneau - DH Lawrie - 2B Rasmus - CF Liriano / Avi - RF Narvaez / Some FA - C I think Alvarez / Morneau could be had pretty cheap. Could probably get Rasmus on a one year deal around $8-$10M. That lineup isn't great, but its also not awful. You have Moncada who could come up a take Lawrie's spot when he gets hurt. Look, I don't think that team will compete, but its also not completely crazy to think that team could be within 5 games of .500 by mid June. Have Giolito, Lopez and Fulmer in AAA waiting for a shot in the rotation. I fully expect (and hope) to the Sox to make further moves to make this all moot, but right now, the core of .500ish team is still there. Let's not forget that the Sox have tried to win for pretty much 2 decades straight. It wouldn't surprise me at all to see a lineup like this on opening day. You can still trade guys like Frazier, Melky, Lawrie, Robertson mid-season, and guys like Q and Abreu next offseason. If you're not getting something useful for the impending FAs now, may as well hold and see what happens. The lineup won't be the reason we are awful, the starting rotation minus Quintana and bullpen minus Robertson is why we will be awful