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QUOTE (ChiSox59 @ Dec 15, 2016 -> 10:05 AM) But if he is the fourth piece after Dahl, Rodgers, and Murphy - sign me up. Dahl is their starting left fielder in 2017, he is not going to be traded A deal would be centered around Rodgers who is several years away

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Dec 15, 2016 -> 09:48 AM) Don't really want them surrendering a first-round pick for Bautista. Agreed, giving up the #11 overall pick would be unforgivable at this point. We need that draft pick

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Dec 15, 2016 -> 09:47 AM) Yeah at some point they need to just go all in. Whatever they've been doing the past however many years isn't working. Agreed Unless they improve the rotation and bullpen that team is not going to the playoff anytime soon

QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Dec 15, 2016 -> 09:40 AM) Hahn should have a statue erected of himself in front of the G Spot if he can get Rodgers, Dahl, McMahon, and Murphy for Q. I am not feeling the McMahon love at all Striking out at a 30% rate in AA and only batting .242 is very concerning to me. Major league pitchers tend to eat high strikeout players alive. He is blocked by Arenado, but I'm not sure he is the answer in a trade. This is a make or break season for him.

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Dec 15, 2016 -> 09:37 AM) 4 of their top 10 prospects, all position players? Sign me up. I'm sure Rockies fans would be frustrated if the team does nothing to improve its rotation and bullpen. They have the lineup to compete, but the rotation and especially bullpen leave a ton to be desired. Standing pat is not really an option for them

QUOTE (harkness @ Dec 14, 2016 -> 01:26 PM) If we can't get anything worthwhile for Roberston.. we should wait and see if he can be successful and catch a larger bounty. I really don't agree with the lets take whatever we can get for him now idea - i think you have more to lose doing it that way. The Rockies badly could use bullpen help, I would think they would be very interested in Robertson and/or Jones

QUOTE (FT35 @ Dec 15, 2016 -> 09:16 AM) Agree. It should be high--but the Eaton trade made it even higher. If we get a top 5 prospect, another top 50 and a first rounder for Eaton--then the return on Quintana pushes into the holy crap range--how to you top that? a top 5, 2 other top 50's and another 1st rounder or top 100? What that would look like for Houston would be Bregman, Martes, Tucker, AND Musgrove! They reportedly balked at that and it didn't even include their top 5 piece! I would LOVE to see the Rockies make a push. Frankly, I like their prospects better than the Astros because Rodgers seems more obtainable than Bregman (not sure why, it just seems like it!) For some reason, I can picture Quintana in a Rockies uniform easier too--seems like the type of pitcher they need. Each trade does not need to look exactly alike as you can make up for prospect quality with volume A Martes/Tucker/Reed/Perez deal would be great for the White Sox. Reed is blocked. Martes has not pitched above AA. Tucker is two years away from the majors at minimum, as is Perez. Houston can afford that return as they have great depth and some interesting players in their low minors

QUOTE (Special K @ Dec 15, 2016 -> 09:08 AM) So we can expect another package centered around pitching prospects? I understand the philosophy of stocking up on arms, but at some point we're going to need to go for bats. We can draft bats, but drafting 1 or 2 is not going to improve our depth much (especially when there's a good chance one of those picks busts). Almost seems to be the exact opposite of the Cubs farm philosophy at this point. They stockpiled on positional prospects and then signed pitching (or traded for it). My proposed deal had AJ Reed and Kyle Tucker going to the White Sox, two guys with potential plus bat, as well as Francis Martes and Franklin Perez two potential plus arms That would be a fantastic trade for the Sox, and might be more palatable for the Astros as they do not have to give up an mlb starter in Musgrove, or anyone off the current roster

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Dec 15, 2016 -> 08:57 AM) I don't disagree with any of what you're saying but I would still be a bit shocked to see them make the move. The Pirates do have the prospects to make a deal Glasnow, Meadows, Bell, Newman, Keller, Hayes, Tucker, Craig, Hanson All of those players would interest the Sox

QUOTE (FT35 @ Dec 15, 2016 -> 08:52 AM) Things went quiet after the massive haul we got for Eaton. That deal almost out-priced a lot of teams on Q because he would certainly warrant more of a return than Eaton. It's also set a high floor on what the Sox would feel would be a sufficient return for Q--relative to the first 2 deals. That means teams are basically on the hook for upping that ante past what we got for Eaton and it's possibly added an element of caution to GMs trying to deal for Robertson and Q. "Be careful not to give up too much--like the Nats did--we won't make that same mistake." Hence the delay in rumors. Quintana's price should be high. Now is the perfect time to deal him given the lack of other options out there. Frankly, the Rockies might need Q more than the Astros. Their pitching is pretty awful and they could use a TOR starter badly

QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Dec 15, 2016 -> 08:48 AM) Stephen Piscotty would be a great get but he's probably untouchable at this point. I can't see St. Louis being willing to deal Piscotty, it would hurt their lineup too much

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Dec 15, 2016 -> 08:33 AM) I agree 100%. Doesn't seem like a Pirates thing to do. Unless they unload a couple of the guys at the MLB level for prospects. The Astros seem to be the best fit, but the Pirates, Braves, Rockies, Blue Jays, Yankees, Mets could all be possibilities

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 15, 2016 -> 08:01 AM) A full season of time in AAA is a Long time to keep someone there, if they're playing ell enough to earn the callup. With what they've already said it seems likely these guys start in AAA and are there at least long enough to give another year of team control - late May. Starting guys in AAA and letting their performance dictate when they get called up would already be dramatically different from the path we've had guys on the last 2 seasons where the needs of the big leagues squad determined who got called up more than if they were ready. While a #1 draft pick would be nice, if a guy has earned his callup out of that group, call him up. Turning these guys into successful big leaguers is more important to me than picking #1, and they may darn well hit the next level and struggle anyway even if they're succeeding in AAA. I'm totally fine with calling a player up if they deserve it...as long as we gain the additional year of control. Zero point in burning a year of control though. Fans will need to be patient, as we will not see most of our shiny new toys at the mlb level this season

QUOTE (WhiteSoxLifer @ Dec 15, 2016 -> 08:08 AM) chisox are still listening to offers for jose quintana. astros involved, but of course others r too. 27, 4 yrs control. https://twitter.com/JonHeyman/status/809397872202485760 I really think the Sox would consider a Martes/Tucker/Reed/Perez offer if the Astros won't dish up Musgrove

QUOTE (WhiteSoxLifer @ Dec 15, 2016 -> 08:08 AM) chisox are still listening to offers for jose quintana. astros involved, but of course others r too. 27, 4 yrs control. https://twitter.com/JonHeyman/status/809397872202485760 The list of suitors will go beyond the Astros. Quintana's cheap contract fits into nearly every mlb club's budget. It would be a mistake for other GM's to not speak to the Sox about him

QUOTE (South Sider @ Dec 14, 2016 -> 11:17 PM) It's too bad Colorado or no one else seems serious about trading for Q. Without another contender, Houston can just attempt to do what the Sox did last year with Cespedes... "they'll have no choice but to take our lowball offer." We all know how that turned out for the Sox, and I think something similar happens to Houston. They either don't get a TOR starter to start 2017, or they decide to pay the price. Let's hope they aren't as stubborn as the Sox were, or that another team or two finally seriously jump into this. Just be patient. While I think he gets moved this offseason, it could be at the deadline or next offseason for Quintana. There is no need to rush the process when we need to get the best return

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Dec 14, 2016 -> 04:01 PM) I don't think he is but Shuck in center and Garcia in right would lead to a lot of extra bases for the opponent. Actually, Melky in left would make us a terrible outfield all around in that case haha Melky / Shuck / Garcia might be the worst defensive outfield in the majors

QUOTE (ChiSox59 @ Dec 14, 2016 -> 03:59 PM) Castillo signs with the O's. 1 year / $6M, with a $7M player option for year 2. Not a bad deal. Even though he's pretty bad defensively, I would have loved that deal. I would have taken that deal as well. You could do alot worse than a Castillo/Narvaez platoon

QUOTE (Con te Giolito @ Dec 12, 2016 -> 02:18 PM) The Sox will probably still be better on paper than a few of the tanking NL teams by virtue of Rodon, Abreu and Anderson alone. BUT, the Sox wont face an NL schedule. Sox are in the ultra-competitive AL where the only other teams that could even be considered rebuilding are the Twins who badly want to start winning, the A's where Beane is up to god knows what and the Yankees who still hand out $80m contracts while they rebuild. The Reds and Brewers have to play each other 19 times a year, and they have series against the Braves, Padres and Phillies to boot. When these horrible teams play each other someone has to win, that's what keeps these AAA rosters from breaking loss records. The bilge of the NL is kind of like a self-sustaining organism that keeps anyone from losing too much. No such thing in the AL. The rest of the AL is going to run train on the poor White Sox without mercy. Especially the division where the Twins want to forget 2016 ever happened, the Tigers are going to make another run at it with this core, the Royals are still in their window and the Indians are coming off losing game 7 of the WS in extras. That's 76 games and it is going to be a bloodbath. The loss record is in sight if the Sox keep making trades. I for one hope they dont make history but #1 overall in 2018 sure would be nice. It's shocking to think how bad some NL teams would be if they had to play an American League schedule Going full rebuild in the AL should put us in Minnesota Twins territory of sucking. If we deal Quintana, Robertson, etc. you can pencil in about 60 wins A full AAA replacement level team is estimated to win about 43 major league games, we would not be more than 20 games above that with a rotation of Rodon/Gonzalez/Shields/Holland/Bozo

QUOTE (shipps @ Dec 14, 2016 -> 12:12 PM) I guess but I would think the more efficient posturing would be to feed Nightengale info about other teams being involved, not just the Astro's are the Sox favorite potential partners just not offering enough. They could just tell the Astros that themselves. Other teams could still get involved on Quintana. Nearly every contender could use him

QUOTE (miracleon35th @ Dec 14, 2016 -> 12:07 PM) Out of 8 position players we have two young players, Moncada and Tim Anderson, to build around, and possibly a third Zack Collins,, that could grow into a future core of star players in their early/mid-twenties around the same time. Unless and until that core of elite position player prospects is added to we may not see any light at the end of the tunnel. Time is of the essence in at least accumulating that young core so that they will all reach a career crescendo in the same time frame. With two trades we already have a solid start to the rebuild. It is going to take many more moves to get where we need to be Sox fans just need to be patient

QUOTE (Con te Giolito @ Dec 14, 2016 -> 11:42 AM) Nah the Rangers could get him too if they really wanted to. The Mariners are a non starter though, Tyler O'Niell is all they have and he's barely on the level of the 3rd pieces available from Houston. I can't see the rangers putting a package together that wouldn't really hurt their mlb roster Their farm took a hit with their deadline deal for lucroy and jeffress. Gallo can't hit, don't even talk about profar... I don't see it working

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Dec 14, 2016 -> 11:36 AM) Agree..and hopefully Quintana is moved before the start of the season. I keep looking at AL west...The Astros Rangers and even Mariners are reasonably close and someone should push the chips in for him. The Astros are the only al west team with the prospects to pull off a Quintana deal

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 14, 2016 -> 10:55 AM) There is going to be an explosion of action fairly soon. There are a lot of teams that have done next to nothing yet. Sometimes it just takes some time for a market for certain players to develop. Agreed, there are many teams that have not done much of anything this offseason but still plan to make moves Quintana would look great on any contender

QUOTE (ChiSox59 @ Dec 14, 2016 -> 10:40 AM) Totally agreed. But I don't think we can dismiss what the last 20 years have told us about this organization. Plus, if you can't get anything meaningful for Frazier, Melky, Lawrie - why move them? I'd rather see if the offers are better in June/July, than take some backend top 20 prospect from a farm that will likely never make the majors. What good does that do? Saves Jerry some $, that is about it. Obviously if the trade offers are not good we keep them and try to flip them at the deadline I think there will be enough demand for Quintana and Robertson to get moved this offseason though Frazier, Melky, Abreu, Jones, Gonzalez are more likely to start the season on the Sox roster