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QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Dec 12, 2016 -> 01:11 PM) Given how much money they spent on the other see, I could see where they look at Q and his price and value it more. That said, Friedman isn't one with a reputation of being willing to make an aggressive pay (and that is what it will take to get Q, imo). Quintana does not have to get dealt this offseason if their price is not met They can shop him at the deadline or next offseason and still get a huge return

QUOTE (bmags @ Dec 12, 2016 -> 01:01 PM) This held up well. Why would we want to take on bad contracts right now? The Dodgers have been very unwilling to deal prospects and I don't expect them to change course on that I'd rather us clean house, trim the payroll and have a ton of flexibility going forward

QUOTE (Ro Da Don @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 11:18 PM) If Jansen doesn't accept the Marlins offer, Robertson for Jarlin Garcia...who says no Sox or Marlins? I think Robertson could fetch a better prospect than Jarlin Garcia, especially given the lack of closers on the market or perhaps at the deadline? Garcia's upside seems limited to a back of the rotation at best

QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Dec 12, 2016 -> 01:03 PM) Ya Frazier's market is very thin man. I expect them to keep him and launch him at the deadline. It wouldn't be the end of the world to keep Frazier until the deadline when teams could use a bat Players like Melky, Frazier, Robertson, Abreu and Jones could be valuable to a contending team in need of bullpen help or a bat

QUOTE (Con te Giolito @ Dec 12, 2016 -> 12:52 PM) I dont know what this guy's market is anymore. There may be teams interested but they wont be fighting with each other over him and without the Dodgers the Sox dont have a desperate buyer to leverage. May have to wait until injuries hit during the season and sell him then. Wow the Dodgers giving 5/80 to Jansen and looking like 4/64 to Turner So much for them "shedding" payroll. Big spenders spend

QUOTE (SoxAce @ Dec 12, 2016 -> 10:22 AM) Yea the sox are quickly going away from that (thank god). Even a guy like Tilson regardless of what he's projected to be, has a solid contact rate throughout his minor league career. Basabe is a player we should be gambling on, because if he can improve his hit tool all of the other tools are above average But a player with an average hit tool and below average power are dime a dozen. Frazier might not get us a ton in a trade, but should return 2 decent prospects and maybe a low level flyer

QUOTE (striker @ Dec 12, 2016 -> 09:58 AM) Musgrove might be holding it up right now but he's easy to work around with Reed, Fisher, Hernandez, Stubbs, Paulino and Perez as alternatives (possibly 2-3 of them). I think Jansen and Turner are the first dominos to fall before Q is moved, as Jones/Robertson/Frazier could be add ins to the deal to get more back. Reed would be worth a gamble in a three of four player package. He entered 2016 as a highly touted prospect but a horrible 48 game stretch at the mlb level has tarnished that quite a bit. Hitting .164 overall and .064 in 17 at bats against lefties is frightening for sure for a guy pegged as a plus hitter. If Musgrove is not in the deal I could see Martes/Tucker/Reed plus one lower level prospect making sense, although Houston might not want to give up on him so quickly

QUOTE (bmags @ Dec 12, 2016 -> 09:22 AM) I really like cards prospects. If we could pry Magneuris Sierra (username change to bmagneuris would be on table) and Sosa from them I'd be very happy. Also wouldn't mind if we got some wild card like Breyvic Valera. Sierra and Sosa are decent prospects, but neither offers any power to speak of Sosa does not walk much, and is not regarded as a plus hitter which gives me concerns about the bat playing at the mlb level Sierra has good speed and a tick above average hit tool, but I'd really like to see our system add some power

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Dec 12, 2016 -> 09:04 AM) Chuck GarfienVerified account ‏@ChuckGarfien Just like with Sale, White Sox have great leverage with Quintana. Teams trying to win want/need pitching. Quintana is best prize left. Zero reason for the White Sox to settle for less on Quintana and lower the price. Eventually a team will meet our demands with pitching at such a high premium

QUOTE (beautox @ Dec 11, 2016 -> 10:49 PM) Melky & MiGo to the Mariners for Luiz Gohara & Brayan Hernandez Gonzalez quietly threw a pretty decent 135 innings for the White Sox in 2016 with a very respectable 3.71 FIP By no means is he a part of the future, right now he is penciled in for a rotation spot and him and Melky combined should be able to do a bit better than Gohara and Hernandez

QUOTE (Ro Da Don @ Dec 11, 2016 -> 11:45 PM) They just signed Ian Desmond for 5 years and are still talking about adding Trumbo or another 1B. I can't say if they'll move top prospects or not but it seems like they think they can compete. For me to accept a Rockies deal it would have to closely match the return of the sale deal Rodgers as a centerpiece, top ten prospect Plus either pint or Hoffman as a secondary piece I could see the sox requesting Murphy as the third player to finish off a deal Rodgers, Hoffman and Murphy would be a nice package

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Dec 11, 2016 -> 11:19 PM) Astros looking at Duffy per mlbtraderumors. One season of Duffy doesn't make much sense. Why give up prospects for a rental? The royals will want a solid return

QUOTE (beautox @ Dec 11, 2016 -> 08:38 PM) I would prefer Pint If the Sox asked for Martes/Tucker/Musgrove and are standing firm going by BA's midseason ranking and TPoP surplus value calculator the sox value Quintana at 97.8m now having said that prospect values and how the sox and other organizations view their value is more of an art and less of a science. A Rodgers/Pint/Tapia package depending on where you view Pint ranges from 99.1m to 112m, its similar if you replace Pint with German Marquez but on the lower end at 98.2. I find it hard to believe if the rockies are getting Q that they'll want to strip their major league ready arms like German/Hoffman/Freeland I don't see the Rockies being willing to part with major prospects for q. I could be wrong, and they do need pitching, but I'm not sure they feel close enough to go all in like that

QUOTE (iamshack @ Dec 11, 2016 -> 03:58 PM) I, for one, don't particularly love Tapia. I would much prefer McMahon or even Wall over Tapia. The package I really want from the Rockies is probably Rodgers/McMahon/Wall/intriguing arm. Tapia has no power, but hits for average and has speed. Good leadoff type guy

QUOTE (Dam8610 @ Dec 11, 2016 -> 11:36 AM) The only thing I don't like about these two is that the White Sox took another chance on an athlete with a sketchy hit tool when they've had a difficult time developing those players. Basabe is pretty talented and his tools make him a good gamble for the white sox. He's more than just a throw in for sure

QUOTE (iamshack @ Dec 11, 2016 -> 02:45 PM) I'm sure the reason this hasn't been done yet is because the White Sox are requiring at least Rodgers, one of Hoffman or Pint, and either Tapia or McMahon. Rockies are probably pushing a non-Rodgers package, and I bet it's more along the lines of Pint/Marquez/McMahon. I don't think Hahn will do it without Rodgers. Pint is way too far from the majors and too risky to centerpiece a Quintana deal. I could see a rodgers, tapia plus one more package making sense though

QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Dec 10, 2016 -> 04:10 PM) Hi Theo! I'd do happ, jimenez and candelario for Quintana. All of them are currently blocked

QUOTE (Lillian @ Dec 10, 2016 -> 12:09 PM) Martes is the #5 RH pitching prospect in baseball. I really doubt that this happens. Sale and Quintana have very similar trade value, especially due to Q having the additional year of cheap control Martes is considered to be on a similar level to Kopech Since there is no marquee headliner like Moncada, the extra pieces of the deal both have to be very good like Tucker and Musgrove I think the firm request of Reed or Musgrove + Martes + Tucker gets a deal done

QUOTE (SoxSteve @ Dec 10, 2016 -> 11:58 AM) That is alot of right handed pitchers in the minors. Not complaining but that would make the the top 10 pitchers in our minor leagues all right handers. You seriously can never have too much pitching. Pitching is also extremely expensive in free agency. Not all of our prospects will pan out, plus they can be used to trade for bats when the time is right Musgrove has the potential to be a very solid #3 or 4 starter with great control. He does pose some injury risk though. Clearly Bregman is not in the deal, but with that being the case the Astros can't be overly picky about prospects in order to get a deal done for Q I do think Musgrove might be who they do not want to give up in that package

QUOTE (Baron @ Dec 10, 2016 -> 11:48 AM) Luhnow is a prospect hoarder. I dont see a trade going down with the Astros. That is a really fair asking price I feel like. The Sox won't trade Quintana for less than that, and Houston can certainly afford to deal Musgove/Martes/Tucker in exchange for four years of prime Q Sidenote: We would have unrivaled prospect pitching depth in the mlb if that deal were to happen

QUOTE (NCsoxfan @ Dec 10, 2016 -> 11:43 AM) I'd have a problem if they asked for less than that. Zero incentive to give away Q just to trade him. That is a fair asking price in my opinion. Quintana is a very valuable pitcher I would not accept less than Musgrove or Reed, Martes and Tucker for Q

QUOTE (FT35 @ Dec 9, 2016 -> 02:41 PM) Simply stating that if our rotation was made up of those 5, we could still make room for them as relievers since they all throw heat. They would remain in the mix for starting spots if one of the 5 gets hurt, moved or doesn't pan out. Mostly my point was that would would be loaded with quality arms if you add that group into the mix. Surely enough to assemble a rock solid 5-man rotation. Basically sums it up...yes Burdi is a reliever, but he'a a part of that core of great arms that will play into the mix. Many players have made the switch from reliever to starter--talent just falls into the right role sometimes. Having Quintana as a part of that group gives them the ace of aces (who will likely set the MLB record for career no-decisions by then if he hasn't already) that will serve as the vet leader. While Q would be nice to keep, we are seriously lacking in young position player talent and he could bring back a nice package for us They should tank BIG time in 2016 in perfect time to select Seth Beer 1st overall in the 2018 mlb draft and then we are in business. The guy can flat out rake: Year Team Lg Level # Org Pos Age Diff G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO HBP IBB SH SF GDP AVG OBP SLG OPS ISO secA Babip K/BB AB/HR TB PA 2016 Clemson ACC College 28 fr 19 62 203 57 75 13 0 18 70 1 0 62 27 15 0 4 6 .369 .535 .700 1235 .330 .640 .352 0.44 11.3 142 284 That was as a Freshman... Sign me up to tank for that kind of talent in the outfield

QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Dec 9, 2016 -> 02:31 PM) Yeah, I get they are not moving him. As I said, I don't have a lot of interest anyway. I just can't see them having McCann serve as their primary C on a regular basis at this point in his career, which is why I included Stassi. I still think they end up moving Bregman around 2B/SS/3B/LF on a daily basis, it allows them to get their guys regular rest and him everyday AB's without much positional disruption. No place for Reed in the lineup, making him expendable in a trade for sure

QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Dec 9, 2016 -> 01:43 PM) I think they can stop now and get just as much if not more for their remaining trade assets in July. The groundwork has been laid with multiple teams so it really shouldn't take very much to get deals done once the teams can come together on the value of the prospects in the deal. At this point, I think it makes a lot more sense to hang on to Robertson through the first half to rebuild value after his knee surgery. His walk rate was up and HR's, but I feel that was because he was physically adjusting to his injury. I feel like he will be the premier late inning option available once Jansen is signed. I think Colome will be moved fairly shortly as the Rays want to move him at peak value. Melky is a professional hitter and will fill a gap for some team making a playoff run, Frazier is going to have value as teams identify their weaknesses as the season progresses. There are not many openings right now at 3B for contending teams, so as the season plays out his value will likely increase. Q's value doesn't change between now and July unless he absolutely is a wreck the first half. The likely top two starters on the market this summer will be Greinke and Q, so I think Q's value will make him the target more in demand. Abreu is the one piece that still could get moved over the winter. The Mariners, Astros, Rangers, Rockies, Pirates, Yankees, Blue Jays, and Orioles could all be in the market once Trumbo and EE are signed. Grienke's contract is so cost prohibitive that I don't think he gets traded unless Arizona eats a massive amount of that deal Let the Grienke deal serve as a warning to any team considering Arrieta / Cueto / any other big ticket free agent...buyer beware

QUOTE (bmags @ Dec 9, 2016 -> 02:07 PM) I'm open to that but only after we see what happens after Jansen signs. I'd shop Jones now and see, but his value would be very high if he can repeat his performance from 2016 as closer in 2017