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QUOTE (kwill @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 03:25 PM) More than likely the Sox leave with just making the Sale trade. I don't know about you guys but it seems to me that you will not get premier value for Quintana or Abreu in this market. I would hold them for mid-season or next offseason to trade. The guys I deal are Eaton, Frazier, Robertson and Jones. Jones would even be worth keeping if you believe he can close games for you. His value would sky rocket if he can be as successful as closer as he has been in middle relief. If Jones performs well as a closer he could be a nice trade chip at the deadline to a contender

QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 02:34 PM) f*** it, I'll throw some s*** out there because I'm bored while waiting for the next trade to drop. How about Q + Jones to Houston for Kyle Tucker, AJ Reed, Joe Musgrove and Francis Martes? That is actually a fairly interesting trade proposal to think about Martes + Tucker is a decent centerpiece to a Quintana deal. I'm not sure Houston wants to part with Musgrove or Reed in that deal though

QUOTE (peppers312 @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 02:56 PM) if that's the case, then you leverage the players you want from WSH and you use that as your benchmark for dealing with any other teams. the White Sox are dealing from a position of power. they have the pieces other teams wants. there's no need to rush or settle for anything less than what Hahn wants. True Right now the White Sox are one of the few organizations that are actively willing to trade quality mlb talent. I would not settle, but at the same time if a deal exists out there I would not shy away from making it and moving forward

QUOTE (iamshack @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 02:41 PM) A reasonable proposal or a proposal that is purposefully light because it's coming from just one org? Quintana - #2 Robles/#4 Fedde/#8 Stevenson/#14 Severino Eaton - #3 Lopez/#7 Neuse/#11 Banks/#30 Reetz This leaves then with their #1, 5, 6, 9 & 10 guys still intact. Does it hurt them? Yes. Are they much better now? Yes. And guess what? If they lose Harper in two years, they can move Q and Eaton then to restock much of that system. I'm just not sure I want to try and squeeze that much value out of one organization's prospects I'd rather individually deal Q and Eaton

QUOTE (pittshoganerkoff @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 02:39 PM) I'm not sure Eaton has "limited tools". However, I see your argument, and I could agree...to a point. If you factor in the cost and recent performance, Eaton has more value. Heyward is owed $28 million next year. Easton is owed $28 million over the next FOUR years. Who has more potential? Heyward, probably. Who is more valuable? Eaton, especially to a team who might be looking to upgrade their outfield without spending a fortune. Given the contract, Eaton will almost undoubtedly be the better value.

QUOTE (Deadpool @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 02:29 PM) I'm a little inclined to agree on Abreu. It would be good to move him when teams are more desperate, especially if Abreu has a strong first half next year. A strong half by Abreu could make him one of the most valuable bats at the deadline He can play crappy defense at 1B or DH for an American league team Am I nuts, or do the Rangers appear to be in serious need of a 1B/DH? Why wouldn't they be interested in Abreu? (Side note...wow that Shin Soo Choo signing has backfired on the Rangers)

QUOTE (ChiliIrishHammock24 @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 02:29 PM) Frazier for Calhoun and Buehler. Would the Dodgers take it? Doubtful

QUOTE (iamshack @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 02:16 PM) First of all, let Rizzo worry about his farm. Second, why that offer? That's way light and we all know it. Why so light? It's light because I am trying to come up with a reasonable proposal (not fan driven monster packages) No team will back up the truck and dump the entire farm for one or two players not named Trout, Betts, Bryant or Seager

QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 02:07 PM) Replace Martin and Guduan with Reed and I'm in. JD Davis really reminds me of Matt Davidson as a prospect Plus power, fringe average hit tool, lots of strikeouts, tick above average arm, slightly below average fielder The stats look good from a distance, but when you start to dig into them and see a 26.5% K% in AA with a downward trend in batting average and OBP

QUOTE (iamshack @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 02:04 PM) I think you guys are overestimating what the return may be for Eaton. I still think the Nats can do this without Turner. For Eaton alone? Yes, they have the prospects. But for Quintana + Eaton they do not have the pieces to cover the surplus value without leaving their farm in shambles That, and I don't trust us to be able to milk enough value out of one team's farm to justify that sort of a trade. Washington is likely going to offer something like: Giolito/Robles + Fedde/Neuse or Stevenson/Severino for Quintana and Eaton I would not accept that if I am the White Sox

QUOTE (Jenksy Cat @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 01:55 PM) Considerably better? No, not at all. Prior to last season Heyward had averaged 5.18 WAR for the past six seasons, Eaton has averaged the same for the past three seasons Not knocking Adam's value, but Heyward had an excellent track record when he signed

QUOTE (bmags @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 01:50 PM) Okay so Kopech is elite but Robles isn't? Why? Robles tool grades are almost identical to Moncadas with more defense/speed on Robles and less power. Robles is really good prospect who would be a really great target in a trade. He has tons of ability but currently he will play in high A ball to start the year and realistically is 2-3 years away from reaching the mlb level. I feel like he will need near a full season at A+ ball before getting a mid-late season promotion to AA if everything goes well. The following season he would spend the majority of in AA, possibly getting the promotion to AAA mid season best case scenario We are looking at a 2019 debut at earliest for Robles and alot could go wrong before then

QUOTE (ChiliIrishHammock24 @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 01:47 PM) Huh? Eaton is BETTER than Heyward right now. Eaton had nearly identical offense seasons in 2015 and 2016, the difference in 3.7 WAR and 6.0 WAR was moving to RF. So had Eaton moved to RF a year sooner, it's entirely plausible that Eaton would be having back to back 6 WAR seasons. Lets not lose our minds here Heyward had a down year, but had been a considerably better player than Eaton Although given the contract he signed I would much rather have Eaton the next five years than Heyward

QUOTE (TaylorStSox @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 01:44 PM) Eaton doesn't have the upside of Heyward. Potential is always sexy in any investment. I'd compare Eaton's value and potential as a player to Alex Gordon five years ago Both are very similar players, just Eaton is entering his prime and Gordon is exiting his Alex Gordon at age 28 on a 5 year cheap contract is a very valuable player

QUOTE (Soxfest @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 01:34 PM) Shocked If Turner is involved. Turner is not going anywhere guys. Please stop including him in discussions. If they wouldn't include him for Sale then he is not being traded for anyone short of Trout. I'm still not sure if any mlb farm system outside of the Yankees could even put together an acceptable package for both Quintana and Eaton. The surplus value makes the price incredibly steep. Even considering packages usually end up being 50 - 75% return of what we as fans think, it would still have to be massive Quintana alone would get a centerpiece of Robles and Lopez + one more solid piece between an organization's #10 - 30 Eaton's value would get you at least two top prospects + another piece Don't see this happening for Washington

QUOTE (shipps @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 01:07 PM) George Ofman ‏@georgeofman 4m4 minutes ago Sox and Nats talking Quintana/Eaton package. Let's we where this goes. Better be a massive package including Giolito/Robles/Lopez ++

QUOTE (Jake @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 12:51 PM) My feeling is that in the winter, all the GMs know that 1B aren't really that hard to find and that just because Abreu is a pretty damn good hitter doesn't mean you have to sell the farm to get him. Come July, though, there are going to be 2-6 contenders who aren't getting production at 1B, DH, or perhaps another spot who will do anything to get a lively bat in their lineup. I look at it the same way that I do the idea of trading relief pitchers. You want to trade a reliever for a young Chris Davis? You won't do it in the winter. I agree^ Unless you get a terrific offer Abreu could be a marquee player available at the deadline for a contender and get a large return. If he did not have such an awful first two months he would have had a pretty great season in 2016

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 12:13 PM) There seems to be more and more teams either tanking or seriously considering it, not just in baseball, but football and basketball as well. While it may be wise, it is going to take it's toll IMO on the leagues. A lot of uninteresting games. The problem is that in so many sports you can immediately identify a handful of teams that have a legitimate chance of winning the championship The White Sox are extremely unlikely to win the central division in 2017 or 2018 barring something crazy happening, so why not undergo a rebuild that can lead to future success? Tanking, if done purposefully and the right way combined with drafting well, scouting, free agent acquisition, etc. can turn the White Sox franchise around. We have gone WAY too long without a comprehensive rebuild and the organization should be better for it, finally committing to strengthening the farm going into the future to build a contender year in and year out

QUOTE (Butter Parque @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 12:37 PM) I'd like to have Reed in a deal with Houston. Love to add some legit power to the lineup. Reed's value has taken a major hit in my opinion by striking out at a 34% rate (48 times in 141 plate appearances) and batting .164 in 45 games He was absolutely awful against lefties at the mlb level and is a below average defensive player Could he be a future DH? Possibly, but his mlb showing this year did significant damage to his prospect value. This season is make or break for him because if the bat does not play he has no defensive value or ability to play a position besides 1B or DH. Martes, Tucker and Reed would be a really interesting package, but I'm not sure if Houston would sell that low on a player like Reed who does have power if he can improve his contact

QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 12:32 PM) Who is Hunter? Does he mean Tucker? Surely he means Tucker No clue who Hunter is

QUOTE (illinilaw08 @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 12:06 PM) It depends on the package that you get back. Q in '17 and Q in '18 - at a minimum - is irrelevant to the Sox next window of contention. In a best case scenario, Q gives you two years at the back end of his deal when the Sox are relevant, and the Sox contending in '19 is being really, really optimistic. The FA market for pitching this offseason is abysmal. Q may never have more trade value than he does today, and if you are getting offers back at that value, I think you have to move him. Adding another haul of prospects with upside will go a long way towards helping this team compete in the future Our farm after dealing Abreu, Q, Eaton, Robertson, Jones, Cabrera could look completely different than it did a week ago With two more seasons of drafting, scouting, player development and free agency you could have a team ready to compete in 2019 / 2020 that is very exciting

QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 12:00 PM) I'm with you here. Better get a great haul if you're going to trade him. Now is a good of a time as ever to get a big haul for Quintana Most experts seem to think the White Sox did really well in the Sale trade, now time to nail down the Q deal

QUOTE (TaylorStSox @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 11:55 AM) It's always been SS. Most pro baseball players have been a SS at some level. It's always been where you put your best player. I don't care what position a prospect plays at this point What we need to be looking for is talent above anything. Most SS could play OF, 2B or 3B if needed We are looking to improve farm system quality and depth

QUOTE (Ro Da Don @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 11:55 AM) So the Rox lose the 11th overall pick and the Rangers gain a compensation round pick right? Allowing us to move from the 12th to 11th overall pick? Correct We move up to #11 (although I don't believe we get additional bonus pool money as a result) Texas gets a comp A round pick

QUOTE (ChiliIrishHammock24 @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 11:17 PM) If the Nats are getting Eaton and Q, they are giving up Turner. No excuses. Eaton and Q in one deal cripples any mlb farm system and just is not doable