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QUOTE (bighurt574 @ Dec 5, 2016 -> 11:45 AM) The stat doesn't, but 7 WAR players sure do. If that's what they think they have in Turner, they're not going to trade him plus top prospects for Sale. I understand Washington's reluctance to include Turner in a package. He is a player they really want to keep. That being said, without him in the deal they will really have to overwhelm the White Sox with a 5-6 player offer to get them to agree. Realistically an offer of Ross, Giolito, Robles, Lopez or Fedde, and Kieboom or Neuse would get the White Sox attention. Atlanta could be interesting. I get not wanting to part with Swanson, but if they put Albies, Maitan and Newcomb + more in a package it could work. Each team might be able to take a player off the table like Turner and Swanson, but you can't have other untouchables after that and expect a deal to get done

QUOTE (TheFutureIsNear @ Dec 5, 2016 -> 08:40 AM) I think Joe Ross would definitely be on the table. If they were to get Sale they would have a rotation of Sale, Scherzer, Strausburg, Roark, and Gio(not too shabby). AJ Cole is another guy. Probably more of a back of the rotation starter but he's 24 and has had a good bit of success in the minors. Struggled in 8 starts this past year but was still able to K a batter per IP. Wilmer Difo has a ton of speed and is supposed to be a wizard with the glove. If he can hold his own at the plate he could be a starting quality 2B quickly. And then Michael Taylor is still only 25. He could be an interesting change of scenery guy. Obviously Cole, Difo, and Taylor and end of the package type guys, but I think there is definitely a deal to be made with Wash if they are willing to give us both Giolito and Robles. After those 2 it could be 1 of Ross/Lopez as the 3rd piece and the 4th and 5th wouldn't have to be any of their top 5 prospects for me. I think a deal is very possible, just hinges on us getting BOTH Giolito and Robles + Lopez or Ross. I trust the White sox to develop pitching, but much less so to develop a young hitter from the low minors to the major leagues. The price for Sale will not come down, be patient and wait until another organization to cave to the Sox demands. Anything less than a massive package for Sale would be a mistake.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Dec 4, 2016 -> 10:08 PM) I think All-Star is an understatement...the numbers he put up last year are HOF type numbers. Obviously I get it's just a half season, but that kind of speed and power, along with that type of batting average is pretty unheard of. Say he comes down to earth and becomes a 12-18 homer guy...if he hits .315 with 40-50 SB for the next several years...that's Rickey Henderson-esque. I'm actually fine with keeping sale if the offers aren't good enough. We can always put him on the block at the deadline and see what a contender would offer.

QUOTE (Fantl916 @ Dec 3, 2016 -> 12:34 PM) Sale and two filler pieces to the Astros for Bregman, Reed, Paulino, Musgrove and Fisher. Robertson to the Dodgers for Puig Abreu to the Red Sox for Kopech and Swihart Abreu for kopech and swihart would be an awful trade for the white sox

QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Dec 2, 2016 -> 05:01 PM) Holy f*** this franchise is terrible. I'd rather watch Jason Coats suck than Garcia strikeout and suck at this point Or Charlie Tilson, or Jacob May, or anyone really Avi sucks

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 2, 2016 -> 04:56 PM) Don't forget, unless something changed with this brand new CBA, the team can still cut Garcia before spring training by paying him something like 15 or 20% of the value of the deal. Consider this his final chance, it does not matter since the Sox are not going anywhere in 2017. Might as well give him a final shot

QUOTE (Dunt @ Dec 2, 2016 -> 04:20 PM) Good defender, solid framer, offensively terrible the last two years. Good buy low option, been wanting the Sox to go after him for a few years now. Absolutely brutal batting average of .184 last season and his K% of over 30% is AWFUL That bat is a black hole in your lineup Chance he might improve, but the trend lines say otherwise with his rising K% rate the past three seasons

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Dec 2, 2016 -> 03:57 PM) Gotta trade them separately unless MLB players are coming back. Cabrera, Frazier and Robertson are all more likely to be traded than Eaton this offseason. Unless they get a stupid offer he will be your right fielder for years

QUOTE (Knackattack @ Dec 2, 2016 -> 03:39 PM) Wonder if the nats go hard and try to get Sale and Eaton, Turner, Giolito, Robles +++ I would rather deal them separately if possible. I don't know if I can even come up with a package that I would accept from Washington for Sale AND Eaton

QUOTE (Ro Da Don @ Dec 2, 2016 -> 03:11 PM) To be fair, McCutchen has been garbage in CF recently. Eaton would be the same if not better - with 3 more years of control to boot. I feel like a 28 year old Eaton under control for 5 years would be a safer bet than McCutchen at age 30 under control for two more McCutchen was awful defensively this year and Pittsburgh needs to sell him off now before he loses any more value. Sure, he could be great again, but the trend does not look good

QUOTE (ChiSox59 @ Dec 2, 2016 -> 03:05 PM) Probably the Nats, but I'd do that deal. Would like Severino as the final piece. Nationals probably say no, although they are in a short two year window to contend before Harper ditches them in free agency on a mega deal

QUOTE (BigHurt3515 @ Dec 2, 2016 -> 02:50 PM) Why keep a player on a team that wouldn't want to be there? How do you know for certain he does not want to be here? Frankly, it doesn't matter. He is under contract for 5 years, so his opinion is moot

QUOTE (Dunt @ Dec 2, 2016 -> 02:00 PM) Eaton and Archer have the same amount of control and almost exactly the same amount of money due over that span. One was one of the most valuable players in baseball last season while the other had a down year. To suggest that Eaton will be traded for anything less than a franchise changing haul is ludicrous. The only way he moves is either because the FO does really want to get rid of him or they get a crazy, franchise changing offer. Eaton is a really good player, but I don't see him being dealt because of the huge cost it would take to land him. A great comparison to Eaton is Alex Gordon's value in 2012 at age 28. The cost to trade for him then would have been huge. Alex Gordon (up until 2016) and Adam Eaton are probably the most similar comps right now

QUOTE (BigHurt3515 @ Dec 2, 2016 -> 01:49 PM) I could see Eaton going to upper management and saying he wanted to be dealt if we decide to do a rebuild and trade Sale + others. Eaton has zero leverage as he is under team control for 5 more years. He can demand a trade all he wants but that would be ignored

QUOTE (raBBit @ Dec 2, 2016 -> 01:20 PM) Agreed. I really, really hope they are entertaining trading Jones. If I had it my way (w/ only assuming on the potential returns obviously) I'd trade Sale, Frazier, Jones, Jennings and Melky. I think they'll trade Sale, Frazier, Jennings and Robertson. We still need to field a team next year, keep that in mind You might even be better off trading Sale now, and keeping guys like Robertson and Frazier to see if they have strong seasons and flip them at the deadline to a contender? The return for a Frazier rental if he has a strong season could be considerable

QUOTE (miracleon35th @ Dec 2, 2016 -> 01:06 PM) I would consider Eaton a core layer and not look to trade him. He is the kind of player that is difficult to replace because he brings multiple assets -speed, defense (including an accurate arm from Right field) , on base percentage. There are several players I would trade before him, including Melky and Abreu. Abreu ,might have value to a team like Boston as a DH / first baseman. i think the Sox could either replace him ot fill in with what they have. Zack Collins and Matt Davidson aare two in house options for DH and first base. It would be a huge waste to rush Collins to the mlb level and not give him a fair chance to stick at catcher. It's not like the Sox are contending in 2017 anyways I'm not in a rush to deal Abreu unless the return is big Frazier, Cabrera, Robertson are players I would look to deal first

QUOTE (soxforlife05 @ Dec 2, 2016 -> 12:54 PM) People actually think we are going to start winning trades left and right with this front office? I'm all for trading Sale because I think we'll get a no brainer deal but I'm not convinced we won't get fleeced trading our lesser players. I don't see Eaton getting traded What is wrong with keeping him? He is a good player and is not expensive. Unless overwhelmed, why would they try to deal him?

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Dec 2, 2016 -> 11:32 AM) Still has a lot of time to turn it around but you're probably right. If a guy is struggling with single A pitching, the jump to AA would eat him alive. I might be wrong, but this was Seattle recognizing that one more rough season and his value will be zero

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Dec 2, 2016 -> 11:33 AM) I will say that the Sox settle on one monster headliner and upside for Sale and do this: Astros Receive: LHP Chris Sale White Sox Receive: INF Alex Bregman 1B/DH AJ Reed RHP David Paulino OF Preston Tucker OF Jason Martin Here are a few more: St. Louis Receives: Adam Eaton and Dan Jennings White Sox Receive: OF Harrison Bader 3B Paul DeJong RHP Jack Flaherty RHP Sandy Alcantara RHP Dakota Hudson Los Angeles Dodgers Receive: Todd Frazier and Zach Putnam White Sox Receive: 2B/DH Willie Calhoun RHP Jordan Sheffield Boston Red Sox Receive: RHP David Robertson White Sox Receive: C Blake Swihart Texas Rangers Receive: OF Melky Cabrera White Sox Receive: LHP Cole Ragans Keep Abreu, Nate Jones, Quintana, Gonzalez for now. I'm actually not a huge fan of any of these trades to be honest. Sale should return more than Bregman. Reeds' value is down after a rough 2016 at the mlb level. Paulino projects as a reliver, not starter. Preston Tucker and Martin are not great prospects. This would be a weak return Eaton is more valuable than Bader + Flaherty and decent pitching/hitting prospects. I'm not parting with a 28 year old all star for that deal. The Frazier deal is ok since he is a one year rental. Swihart has had a ton of injuries and his defense at catcher is not great. Robertson should return more, possibly at the deadline? Meh on the Melky deal

QUOTE (Dam8610 @ Nov 17, 2016 -> 11:57 PM) If Boston: Moncada, Benintendi, Devers, Kopech, Groome If Atlanta: Swanson, Inciarte, Albies, Newcomb, Blair If Yankees: Sanchez, Frazier, Torres, Andujar, Sheffield, Tate If Washington: Giolito, Turner, Robles, Lopez, Cole, Fedde If Dodgers (w/Puig): Urias, Puig, Bellinger, DeLeon, Alvarez If Dodgers (w/o Puig): Urias, Bellinger, DeLeon, Alvarez, Calhoun, Lux I know, "not realistic", but this is the type of return the White Sox need for Sale. I intentionally did not include Houston because my hope is they'll build a package around Bregman for Q. If all of these posts were on the table, I'd have a tough time choosing between BOS and NYY. Jesus those are gigantic packages haha. Sale is an amazing talent, but those packages are what would get a GM fired.

QUOTE (bmags @ Dec 2, 2016 -> 09:55 AM) Also - love that Alex Jackson deal even though it's small chance to workout. Not a bad buy low move for Atlanta on Jackson, but a player who is hitting around .200 in single A with a ton of strikeouts chances of sniffing the majors are hugely in doubt. I see this more as Seattle dumping Jackson for whatever value they can get before he isn't worth anything

QUOTE (Thad Bosley @ Dec 2, 2016 -> 09:58 AM) For me, the notion of a potential Eaton trade probably only happens if the rumor of a Puig acquisition from the Dodgers comes to fruition. Or at least the likelihood of the trade greatly increases. Puig's value is in the toilet right now. I laughed at the talk of him being a centerpiece in a Sale trade. I am not against a fire Sale (no pun intended), but would prefer to move pieces like Robertson, Cabrera, Frazier first before tading longer term assets

QUOTE (bmags @ Dec 2, 2016 -> 09:47 AM) I'm not saying it's a game changer, but I think it's a great move for ATL. They are trying to land a big fish but aren't being complacent about acquiring the veteran starting depth that can be easily pushed out if their youngsters prove themselves. They have not come close to compromising their farm yet. Atlanta has a ton of pitching prospects as well. They can't all make the mlb roster, so you might as well start moving some of them to build the mlb club up.

QUOTE (TheFutureIsNear @ Dec 2, 2016 -> 09:32 AM) Eaton should definitely be considered, as should everyone on the team. Because of his control, production, and consistency I wouldn't move him unless it was a really good package of players obviously. Basically, if someone wants to pay the price like Eaton is 5-6 WAR player that he was last year I'd do it just because I'm not sure he's going to be that guy by the time we are ready to seriously compete. Eaton has been pretty consistent the past three seasons, averaging a 5.1 WAR. That sort of player is very valuable on the trade market, almost prohibitively so.

QUOTE (bmags @ Dec 2, 2016 -> 09:36 AM) That would have been a top 15 era in the NL last year. Perhaps you prefer Andrew Cashners 5 ERAs which still netted him 11 million. They got Garcia for nothing, and are still playing in NL east. Not exactly murderers row outside of Nationals. They are buying low on Garcia and did not give up much. Pretty low risk deal, but he was pretty awful last season. He gave up way more home runs than at any point in his career, which is concerning. I don't see Atlanta being ready to take the plunge in a Sale deal. With Swanson off the table, I'm not sure Albies and Newcomb are attractive enough as centerpieces to be the offer that comes out on top.