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QUOTE (oneofthemikes @ Dec 8, 2016 -> 11:28 AM) Sean Sears on twitter: "Source: Asking price for Chris Archer and Jose Quintana is too high for #Astros, "seems unlikely" that either will end up in Houston" http://tomahawktake.com/2016/12/06/2-moves...ake-after-sale/ This is one of the dumbest proposals that I have seen^^^ wow it's bad

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 8, 2016 -> 09:57 AM) The thing is, if Eaton is anywhere near a 5 or 6 WAR player the next 5 seasons, he probably was worth more in trade than Sale for the extra 2 years at the same total cash. Eaton, Q, those guys are undervalued by many, including people whose job it is to know these things. I was watching MLBN and someone was making a case why Eaton is not worth anything near Cutch in trade. That's just being lazy. Rizzo said his analytics people and old school scouting people were the same on Eaton. It's a huge asset to give up. I hope it works out. Hahn is going to see all his bargain basement team friendly deals go to other teams this off season. I doubt he has much luck having 3 or 4 of those types of contracts on one roster again. BTW, why do the call them the Winter Meetings when it isn't technically Winter? Our "bargain basement" team friendly deals go away, yes. But our payroll is going to be next to nothing after we deal Robertson, Frazier, Melky, Quintana, etc. We will be entering an amazing free agent class with loads of money to spend on talent. Most of our players will be cost controlled giving us great flexibility for when we are ready to compete again

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Dec 8, 2016 -> 08:15 AM) I don't think anyone really cares about the 2017 offense because this team won't contend until 2019 at the earliest. 2017 should be viewed as a tanking year for Seth Beer. When is Beer eligible to be drafted? Sign me up for tanking

QUOTE (ChiSox59 @ Dec 8, 2016 -> 09:19 AM) Yah, was a bit surprised to not see him added to the Nats deal with Robertson going back. I think it signals that they either were still shooting for Chapman and Jansen and/or want to keep Severino. Like you said, they don't have much else. Teams do not like to part with catching depth, especially a contending team like the Nats. Since Ramos is gone they will need depth and likely want to keep Severino around Plus, I think Robertson could potentially be worth more

QUOTE (oneofthemikes @ Dec 8, 2016 -> 09:06 AM) Has Quintana been linked to the Yankees at all? If they were willing to give up Frazier, Rutherford, and Andujar I think they'd be fairly close. Plus, it would be amazing to sell Q back to the Yankees after we got him off of their scrap heap. I don't think the Yankees are prepared to sell off the farm while they are rebuilding. That is a team that really could use arms though. Their starting pitching is somewhat of a mess outside of Tanaka.

QUOTE (scs787 @ Dec 8, 2016 -> 07:42 AM) One guy I got my eye on is Garrett Stubbs with the Astros. I'd like him as a 3rd or 4th piece in a Q deal, or maybe the 2nd or 3rd piece in a deal for one of the relievers( believe I remember they needed relievers). Hit over .300 with an OBP in the .390s. He was defensive player of the year at USC as a senior a few years ago, so you would assume his defense is good. No clue on his pitch framing. Baseball reference does have him also listed as a DH which might tell you something about his framing..or that his defensive player of the year award was a sham. This year they may as well give Narvaez and Smith a shot. I think they need to bring in a Veteran like Ianetta to platoon with Narvaez and Smith. That could be serviceable for the next season. Ianetta is nothing flashy, but at least has average catching defense metrics it seems

QUOTE (Mattchoo @ Dec 8, 2016 -> 07:53 AM) I want both Kyle Tucker and Alex Bregman and I would be willing to give up more in the deal to ensure that. Q + Frazier for those two plus a couple low prospects. Very doubtful that Houston makes Bregman available. If I were Houston I would not trade him, although I would recognize the need they have for reliable starting pitching. They could build a package like: Martes, Tucker, Reed plus one more for Quintana that would offset them not including Bregman. Teams generally do not want to subtract from their major league production to add a high end player, they view it as addition by subtraction.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 08:49 PM) And how many homers/XB in how many at-bats against RHP? If the biggest problem the Cubs have is what to do with Schwarber against lefties, they'll be just fine. Plus, Jon Jay...despite being LHed, had pretty decent numbers against LHP. And they've also got Bryant, Contreras and Baez to balance out Heyward/Schwarber/Rizzo. My point is that reed wss really bad in 48 games batting .164 overall and .064 vs lefties. With below average defense the bat must play or he will be worthless

QUOTE (oneofthemikes @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 08:35 PM) So send him back to AA for a month to let him sort some things out and let him spend the rest of the year in AAA. We're in no hurry. He has MASHED at every level of the minors and everyone is ready to punt on him after a bad month in his first trip to the Bigs. Reed is the EXACT type of buy low candidate that can really round out that deal. Reed batted .064 against lefties in 48 games. That is unbelievably bad and worth considering. Time to declare him a failed prospect? Of course not, but his value is down

QUOTE (oneofthemikes @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 08:29 PM) I actually wouldn't mind seeing the Sox pick up part of that salary if it increased the return in the trade. Eating half of the money owed would be less than $20MM in the next 4 years. Quintana is cheap, we won't be picking up a dime of his deal. Reed scares me as he was awful in 48 games, hardly a small sample size. He was especially bad against lefties. The Astros might want to trade him now because another performance like that will sink his value again

QUOTE (iamshack @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 07:57 PM) Pretty much, yes. He's also 19. Assuming those rankings are somewhat accurate, there are reasons there are 49 other prospects ranked ahead of him. Tucker looks like a good prospect, but I'm not as high on him being remotely close to a q centerpiece. He's a second piece in a q deal

QUOTE (HBaines03 @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 07:50 PM) I understand the reason for the rebuild and I think you trade whomever if it is a quality return. My concern is more if these prospects will be prepped and directed in the best manner possible to reach their potential and make the majors. My concern is if the major league coaching staff is up to the task of getting the best out of these players once they make the club. It was just 2-3 years ago we looked like a very talented, young cost controlled group and saw very weak results. I think our coaching staff did a very poor job of getting the best out of the group of men they had available. Thoughts? Ventura was an awful manager. Renteria has been lauded many times for how good he is at working with young players. Epstein selected renteria to be the manager to guide the cubs rebuild, I have faith that he will be an improvement. Trades will only get us so far. We need to draft really well, scout well, sign the right free agents, etc. To keep this rebuild on track

QUOTE (Soxfest @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 07:48 PM) No it's full rebuild time. no half ass effort go ALL the way! Quintana is going to be extraordinarily expensive if he gets dealt. His cheap four years of control will mean at least two elite prospects go back to the sox plus more

QUOTE (iamshack @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 07:47 PM) And they now have seen two other teams pay a high price for Sale and Eaton. They will be asking themselves the question soon...who do we need more, Bregman or Quintana? Quintana would be their number one starting pitcher arguably, or number two at worst. If Houston is serious about competing soon they need to make a move for a starting pitcher. Charlie Morton isn't cutting it.

QUOTE (bmags @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 07:24 PM) Well, it will not be the depth. We now know that there IS a pull of quantity v. quality. And getting Rodgers back means not much more than that will return. I like the prestige of Reed but his cup of tea did scare me (and he had two). I'd be fine sox going after Tucker as their main piece from Houston and getting 3-4 of their low a level guys. But Tucker/Fisher/Stubbs seems very doable. Reed/Tucker/Stubbs realistic. Those packages seem light for four seasons of Quintana. Sale got us two top 30 prospects, plus basabe plus a flyer...q

QUOTE (TheFutureIsNear @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 06:51 PM) Astros have a ton of hitting prospects. Don't know how their system wouldn't excite anyone, with or without Bergman. Tucker Reed Cameron Teoscar Hernandez Derek Fisher Ramon Laureano Garrett Stubbs If we can get any 3 of those position players + any 1 of Martes, Whitley, Paulino, Musgrove, or Franklin Perez I'm a happy camper honestly. Realistic offer? Tucker, Reed, Laureano/Stubbs and Paulino/Perez? Pick your preference on the last 2. I'd aim for a bigger return than that. Quintana should return nearly the same value as sale did, especially due to the fourth year of control.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 06:36 PM) And they did it by loading up on position players. Bryant, Schwarber, Soler, Russell, Baez, etc. Notice a theme there? Then they spent money to get established pitching. Don't judge the rebuild just yet. You can never have too much pitching depth. We still have pieces to dangle for position players and more pitching. Q could bring a really nice return, Frazier, Robertson, abreu, Jones, melky all have some value We have the 11th overall pick in the 2017 draft, and likely a top 5 pick the next two seasons

QUOTE (kwill @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 06:08 PM) I just don't think they have the caliber of the top level guys that the Red Sox and Nationals did. Quintana has huge trade value on the open market If bregman is off the table I want martes, reed, tucket plus another piece or two

QUOTE (Wanne @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 06:06 PM) This is the most excitement I've felt for this team in quite a while. How on earth could you not love the players the Sox got the last few days?!? I get the Sale love...but didn't win with him. I get the Eaton love...loved his grit...but good Lord...that's a great return! Moncada Kopech Basabe Diaz Giolito Lopez Dunning If Hahn somehow squeezes Bregman from the Stros I'll pledge my eternal love!!! Don't see the sox getting bregman, but what a start to the rebuild. A few more moves and you're talking about a totally different franchise

QUOTE (Soxnfins @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 05:20 PM) Was about to say. We pretty much dealt Santiago for Eaton which turned into Gilito, Lopez, and Dunning. We shall see how it works out to see if we won twice. Not sure how we do not consider this trade a win because we were going to suck the next two seasons at a minimum anyways. Eaton wouldn't have mattered. Shop Quintana for bats, or hell, keep him if you can't land what you want. Our farm system has completely changed in the last 36 hours from a bottom five to fringe top 10, possibly higher with another few moves 1) Moncada 2) Giolito 3) Kopech 4) Lopez 5) Collins 6) Fulmer 7) Burdi 8) Dunning 9) Adams 10) Basabe 11) Tilson 12) Engel 13) Hansen 14) Michaelczewski 15) Fisher That is a dramatically improved system

QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 05:11 PM) Some reaction from the Winter Meetings: We all owe Hector Santiago's fluky 2013 to thank for this happening!

QUOTE (Frank_Thomas35 @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 04:06 PM) Agreed let's hope we finish the Q deal tonight too lol. But don't count a Fraizer and Robertson deal to LA if they miss out on Turner and Their closer. We could get Bellinger Puig vertigo back as part of a package too. Holy crap! Giolito, Lopez and Dunning for Eaton Huge haul of arms to the Sox

QUOTE (Dam8610 @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 03:42 PM) Giolito, Lopez, Severino would work. I would strongly consider Giolito, Lopez and Severino

QUOTE (Sockin @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 03:41 PM) No Robles. Ken Rosenthal ‏ Sources: #Nationals close to acquiring Eaton from #WhiteSox. Robles not in deal. With no Robles it would have to have Giolito or Lopez as the headliner. Disappointing to hear no Robles, but I'm sure there will be some solid depth if a deal gets done

QUOTE (StrykerSox @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 03:40 PM) Why do people like Robles exactly? From looking at stats, he seems to be several years away and generally has the same skill set as Adam Eaton. No idea about defense. What is the point of this? Victor Robles Scouting: Scouting grades: Hit: 60 | Power: 45 | Run: 70 | Arm: 65 | Field: 60 | Overall: 60 That is the potential to be an all star center fielder^^^ Those types of players don't grow on trees