BaconOnAStick

I cant even ask you to look at the facts of the man's life. I have family that were on the wrong side of WW2, they did great things after 1945 both here and in Germany to atone for those sins. Your insistence that every one-time fascist is inherently evil and deserves to be disgraced and shamed publicly I take as an attack on family members I know lived great lives. I will not be conversing with you any further. You can stay ignorant and narrow-minded, but I will no longer give you the satisfaction of showing your hatefulness in front of others.

Yes, yes it definitely is. Renaming Balbo and publicly disgracing a decorated veteran on the side of the USA in one world war and who tried to stop his country from legal anti-Semitism and supporting Hitler is radical. Disgracing Chicago's Italian American community is radical. Everything about it is textbook radicalism. You are ISIS.

So you match it....why?

This kind of absolutism, which is probably informed by the same blithe ignorance the led bmags to ask what American WW2 veteran would think of honoring a man who dead and buried when Operation Torch began, is why I just cannot buy into these movements. I do not like Trump, nor Bannon, nor the marchers in Charlottesville. You do not either, I'm guessing. So why do you play into their hands like this? Why does everything get so crazy and over the top?

The fate he suffered goes to prove how brave you have to be to not only oppose Hitler, but do so publicly, while part of a regime within his sphere of influence.

Yea he was such a fascist that his plane was shot down by Italian anti aircraft guns after he spent almost a year very publicly opposing Hitler and the 3rd Reich.

The only relation Confederate statues have to the ridiculous arguments that heroes like Italo Balbo should be publicly disgraced is precedent. I haven't discussed those statues and memorials at all, though I do believe there is a place for memorials to dead soldiers and I'll defend those. There's a German cemetary in Normandy...there can be battlefield memorials to Confederate soldiers who died horrible deaths.

He had nothing to do with Hitler's Germany. He begged his party to side with the UK instead of Hitler, and not long after when the North Africa campaign was just about to heat up his plane was shot down, perhaps by friendly fiire. Rotten political institutions are capable of housing decent, if not heroic, people. People who work within bad regimes to do the right thing deserve our respect and admiration even if their association with those regimes isnt acceptable today. The Confederate statues are one thing, this is another.

God that article is trash. The quote about the proximity of the Balbo monument and Gold Star memorial creating an association between American police and European fascists is...well...it's why voting Democrat these days feels like a chore.

And the US went to war with Italy and was a certifiable war hero in that one! I think you need to fess up that you heard there was debate about this monument and you reflexively took the -anti. Balbo is not a controversial figure, and fascist Italy was quite different than Nazi Germany and even Franco's Spain. Balbo is not guilty-by-association of Germany's atrocities in the 30's and 40's.

At least Google the guy before you disgrace him...

Balbo died before the USA entered the war. He fought with the Americans in WW1.

World War 1 was over slavery? News to me. Anyways, Balbo was on our side in that one. He actually never fought in WW2, his plane was shot down by Italian anti aircraft guns in Libya after Balbo spent years pleasing with Mussolini to side with the UK instead of Nazi Germany.

So anyone who is uncomfortable with tearing down hundreds of years of history is neo Nazi and/or white supremacist?

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/9kkkby/l...-mount-rushmore intially titled "blow up", changed for obvious reasons after the fact. http://www.chicagotribune.com/entertainmen...0817-story.html winner of two silver stars on our side http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2017/08/16/jac...s-slave-owners/ rename Washington and Jackson park http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/15/politics/lin...ized/index.html Lincoln Memorial vandalized https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/201..._come_down.html tear down Washington Monument, Jefferson Memorial ... I'm failing to see the difference between this and the ISIS destruction of Palmyra. Obviously one happened in a war, but the core principle of destroying history to better suit an ideological/political history is disturbing.

So now there's a call to "blow up" Mt Rushmore, rename Balbo Dr. and a Lincoln (!!!) statue was vandalized. Hasn't even been a week and the left has taken almost universal public sympathy and ruined it by going insane with nonsense. Trump won Charlottesville. Bannon was right. Its crazy how the opposition cannot get out of its own way to get the guy out of office.

Look I'm all about tanking this year, but this "losing = winning" desire goes off the rails when you're celebrating a loss in which a young pitcher got injured as excellent.

I suspect Jimenez will no longer be a minor leaguer by the time Torres is fully recovered.

As great as Acuna is, I'll take Jimenez raw power potential (which is basically unlimited) before Acuna's speed/defensive versatility. I'm also a little more wary of Acuna's swing and miss, whereas Jimenez contact ability is off the charts for a guy with his frame. But yea, they are 1-2 in my mind. The only player that rivals them in raw talent is Kopech.

I dont think there are any minor leaguers I would trade for Jimenez.

It's not a sin to try and win.

I was merely disagreeing with the tone of inevitability that many take when it comes to his struggles. Almost everyone seems more concerned with when he'll figure it out than if he'll ever develop. From what I've seen there is cause for doubt regarding the latter, and it has to do with a lot more than just his last 20 PA. Aside from maybe 10 individual moments he's looked almost completely hopeless during his MLB career. Have good (even great) players had stretches like this? Yes. Is he definitively a bust? No. But is there cause for concern? Yes. No doubt about it, he has to get a LOT better. I hope he goes 4/4 with 2 bombs tonight, I hope he makes me look dumb.

Well all I said was it's time to consider that could be a bust and everyone said I had to be trolling. I didn't say anything was certain.

Whatever you guys are seeing with him I must be missing. There's been a few flashes, mostly on defense, but it's been really bad otherwise. I said I hope he turns it around, but what supports that happening? AAA stats? Prospect hype? Physique? If it's so preposterous to even entertain the idea that he'll never be what the Sox thought they were getting then explain my glaring oversight. What are you seeing that has you so encouraged?

Even the walks have stopped. He's one for his last twenty with 10 strike outs and no walks. He's not struggling, he's drowning. Anyone still convinced he'll climb out of this is deluded. You don't have to take the exact opposite point either, but now it's time to seriously consider that Moncada is a complete and total bust. It has gotten so bad that the Buxton comparisons are starting to look generous. I hope he turns it around, but watching him play leaves almost zero room for encouragement.