Bob Sacamano

QUOTE (greg775 @ Nov 29, 2017 -> 01:08 PM) Why. I fully expect Jose to be traded after reading Dick Allen's comments from the Hahn speech. Jose is gone as is Avi. Sox obviously don't care. Hahn is out to get that payroll down to the lowest imaginable then allegedly use that money when it's time. Modern baseball. The only time in history teams are glad to get rid of players who are beloved and has THIS KIND of proven production. It used to be you'd keep such stars til they decided to retire. Bye Jose and thanks for these numbers. 2014: .317, 36 HR, 107 RBI, .383 OBP, .581 SLG 2015: .290, 30 HR, 101 RBI, .347 OBP, .502 SLG 2016: .293. 25 HR, 100 RBI, .353 OBP, .468 SLG 2017: .304, 33 HR, 102 RBI, .354 OBP, .552 SLG. Should be interesting to see what positions they target in this deal and Avi deal. Seems to me they already have a lot of outfield candidates especially with Robert and Eloy occupying two slots for many years in theory. My guess is they go for catcher, shortstop (upgrade from Tim is possible), and pile up more pitching. Look for catchers, shortstops and pitchers in teams organizations and that's who Abreu and Avi will be dealt for. You could say 3B as well but if that's the case why did they draft Burger? I guess they could stockpile another there and eventually release or trade my man, Davidson. Greg, go read the comments on MLBTR and argue with them. The comments will infuriate you. I've lost my desire to.

QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Nov 29, 2017 -> 12:58 PM) I wouldn't be surprised if it is four teams. There's not a big market for first baseman again this year. If the Sox have four legit interested teams, that's a good thing. I wouldn't be either. I just thought throwing out the "among the 4 teams interested" was odd as there was no mention of 4 teams talking to the Sox haha

QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Nov 29, 2017 -> 12:50 PM) Have to imagine the Rockies and Cardinals are among the four teams interested. Really like what they have to offer in a trade. We don't know that there are only 4 teams.

If you guys want a great laugh, go look at the comments on MLBTR about this. Here: https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2017/11/red-...comment-1134647

QUOTE (cjgalloway @ Nov 29, 2017 -> 12:04 PM) They would be the ideal trade partner.. Give me Dahl please Brendan Rodgers! Along with Pint. Also, we can draft Seth Beer and play him at 1B. Burger, Pint, Beer, Fry.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 29, 2017 -> 11:28 AM) I think you guys are hinting at an important point here so I'm going to say it explicitly - the Red Sox clubhouse was supposedly a mess last year. Price was apparently the closest thing they had to a clubhouse leader last year and he became that by attacking the media. The Red Sox's young guys like Betts weren't able to step into those roles. So, "Guy who can be a strong clubhouse influence alongside a fairly young team" actually fits the Red Sox's needs quite well. Put him in alongside Alex Cora and you've built a different team right from the start. Pedroia wasn't much of a leader last year during that whole Machado incident but he's always seemed like one. I think his teammates respect him.

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Nov 29, 2017 -> 11:39 AM) Any idea who the "others" could be from Heyman's tweet? I would guess Cardinals for sure since they are moving Carpenter off first and are looking for a middle of the order bat. And I'll guess Rockies too.

I don't see a deal happening here. I think Rockies and Cardinals would have better pieces to move.

QUOTE (cjgalloway @ Nov 29, 2017 -> 11:24 AM) He better have really wanted him... I've yet to find someone who was super happy with that deal though (like the others) If Rutherford came over and hit immediately, you would have no problem finding someone.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Nov 29, 2017 -> 11:13 AM) JBJ is a guy controlled for an extra season who also could be extended, and since he is younger, maybe a better candidate for that. Premium GG quality defender up the middle. If you could get a good prospect or 2 with him, I have liked Abreu as much as anyone, but I'd make that deal in a heartbeat. Jose could come back in 2 years and DH. Heck, they could even flip Bradley if he has a year similar to 2016.

QUOTE (shipps @ Nov 29, 2017 -> 11:04 AM) I know we love Jose and most of appreciate what he has brought to our team but I am ecstatic that there is even this strong of a market for him right now. Considering last season there was close to none and leading up until now it seemed to be projecting to have very little of a market with all the other FA's and trades available out there. It's surprising since there seems to be enough 1B out there for just money.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Nov 29, 2017 -> 10:53 AM) I'm obviously pro-rebuild and also believe that the Sox still need more talent in the system to really do this right, but I don't like this fit. Obviously there's a price for any player, but I don't see anything left in the Red Sox system that would make sense. I've said it before, but I think Abreu is worth more to the White Sox than he is on the open market. Fortunately, they are not the only team the Sox are talking to.

Can't wait for greg to see this lol

http://m.mlb.com/prospects/2017?list=bos Posted for relevance. But remember, there are other teams in play.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Nov 29, 2017 -> 10:34 AM) And they sucked the next season. They had Papi, and Napoli filling the 1b/DH spots. I wonder how bad he would have been at 3B, especially when he was a bigger guy. Napoli was a free agent after 2013 so who knows if they would have even brought him back.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Nov 29, 2017 -> 10:28 AM) The Red Sox were initially going to use him at 3B. I remember him signing while the Red Sox were still in the playoffs. I feel like that kind of hurts negotiations.

Thanos is finally coming down to earth after 6 years.

QUOTE (steveno89 @ Nov 29, 2017 -> 09:01 AM) Right before I mentioned that I would not want to deal any significant prospects for JBJ, and I don't like the fit of an Avi or Abreu to Boston deal if JBJ is the main piece coming back is what I meant. Basically I don't see a JBJ deal happening. Wasn't fully directed at you but I've just seen it in this thread and possibly others. My bad.

QUOTE (steveno89 @ Nov 29, 2017 -> 08:52 AM) I'll agree with you on that^ I don't really see JBJ being a good fit for the White Sox right now. With only three seasons of control remaining (his more expensive arbitration years too) I would not be inclined to part with significant prospects for him. 2018 and likely 2019 are not our window to compete, wasting most of the time he would be under contract. If I am dealing Avi or Abreu I would want younger, cost controlled players in return. Where did the idea of JBJ or Abreu even come from? I haven't seen that suggested anywhere other than this site. I think Bradley ends up getting moved for someone like Salazar (just an example, but someone with a few years of control) in a 1-for-1 swap. And that only happens if the Red Sox land a power corner outfield bat.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Nov 29, 2017 -> 07:53 AM) We have four years of control left with him. I’d give him the 3B job to start the year and then reevaluate things at the trade or more likely in next offseason. No reason to rush a trade with him when there’s a chance we may need him. Oh absolutely. I love him in as a bench piece that can start regularly if needed for injury. Was just tossing out teams that might be willing to pay for him. I know the Angels farm isn't stacked, but they aren't rebuilding during the Trout era.

QUOTE (GenericUserName @ Nov 29, 2017 -> 07:44 AM) He will get the same type of contract that any draft pick or international amateur free agent. The money that everyone keeps throwing around is the amount of the signing bonus that he can get. After than each team would have the same contract with him that would be six years of control with the first three at basically league minimum and the next three going through arbitration. Teams can sign him to an extension to buy out his arb years and maybe more and that contract could be for a good amount of money, but the question everyone is asking is how long does a team have to wait to offer that extension so that the league allows it and how is the league going to make sure that extension talks don't happen during the initial signing as a way to circumvent the rules. For example, the league probably wouldn't allow an extension after Ohtani's first game because they would say that it was probably agreed to during the initial signing. Likewise, they probably won't allow a contract that offers $200 mil for 5 years after his first year because that is more than can be expected in arb and doesn't get any free agent years, meaning it was probably agreed to during the initial signing. So long story short, whoever gets him gets him for 6 years on the same contract anyone from the minors gets but he will probably sign an extension at some point but no one knows when it will be allowed. I don't think it really matters about when but also more about for how much. Like Tim Anderson, he could sign after 2018 and sign a 5-year deal that pays him just a bit extra the first 2 years (pre-arb) and then buys out his 3 years of arbitration (so overall, a 5-year deal) as long as it's within reason. I would expect him to want to go to free agency as early possible since he is already forfeiting millions coming early anyway. At the same time, who knows if he would even want that early extension since he could theoretically earn more going year-to-year in arbitration.

I wonder if the Angels would be interested in Sanchez. They have a big hole at 2B.

https://io9.gizmodo.com/holy-crap-the-first...r-is-1820777633 This looks amazing.

QUOTE (Real @ Nov 29, 2017 -> 04:43 AM) So can the Sox sign him to a multi-year deal? I know they can only spend up to 300k on him when they sign him, but that's one year. How would a multi-year deal work? Can you spread an international contract out past your money cap of 300k? Assuming they can, it would have to look something like, 4 years 70 million year 1 300,000 year 2 21,700,000 year 3 23,000,000 year 4 25,000,000 I have no idea how much money he's going to get, so don't put any stock into the 70 million The $300k is a signing bonus. Then he goes through the 6 years of control like everyone else who comes up through the minors.

QUOTE (flavum @ Nov 28, 2017 -> 12:47 PM) They don’t announce non-tenders until that date. Remember last year when we thought they were going to let Lawrie go, but it didn’t happen. It is a good question though- if they intend to nontender a player, why not DFA them before the prospect protection date to protect more players? I was just thinking that and maybe it has something to do with their status of being arbitration players. Like they can't be released, dfa'd, waived and only non-tendered on this date. Of course, I could be wrong but it sure seems that way.