Bob Sacamano

QUOTE (hi8is @ Nov 28, 2017 -> 02:11 PM) I actually thought that his recently stated position showed some change. Seems to me that ( at least in that post ), he's on board with the same plan that management is executing. I noticed that in a thread about two weeks ago and then last week saw him going off about us wanting to trade Abreu and Avi again like he doesn't understand why so who knows lol

QUOTE (greg775 @ Nov 28, 2017 -> 02:05 PM) Why won't you guys comment on my position and my post? I really want to hear what out of all my position entails is wrong or not at least very logical. Because we've been commenting on your position for almost a year now. We are kinda tired of it. It's not our fault you ignore what we say and continue to blindly post.

QUOTE (bmags @ Nov 28, 2017 -> 01:35 PM) Houston has been shedding scouts, I'm assuming they are replacing them with analysts. Anyhoo, in August when that started we talked about wanting sox to add those guys. it appears we have added one. I recall that as well.

QUOTE (ptatc @ Nov 28, 2017 -> 01:04 PM) I'm a little biased when it comes to the medical reasons but they should really push this. The kid is young, has had injury issues and will really need to work to adjust to the MLB schedule. The medical staff should be important to him, whether he thinks so or not. It is: https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2017/11/shoh...-mlb-teams.html See number 2. Plus the Sox are really good about breaking in young arms. Carry a guy in long-relief who can start and go with a 6-man rotation occasionally and skip guys to provide more rest.

Is there some sort of rule where they have to wait til this week to non-tender players? I would think if they non-tendered anyone, it would have happened to make room to protect prospects on the 40.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 28, 2017 -> 12:25 PM) Jon Heyman‏Verified account @JonHeyman 9m9 minutes ago plan is for ohtani to be posted friday. interested teams must commit to paying the nippon ham fighters 20M. ohtani hasn't been about the $ but the teams with the most international $ to spend are tex (3.53M), nyy (3.5M), minn (3M), pitts (2M) and sfg (1.8M). I'm expecting either Yankees, Mariners or Rangers to sign him. Hope the Yankees don't.

QUOTE (Lip Man 1 @ Nov 28, 2017 -> 11:28 AM) As reliable as a nebulous unquantifiable stat based formula in my opinion...yes. Both are based on judgments that aren't 100% accurate but in this case I trust what I see far more. As much as I might agree with you on this, the eye test shows he really isn't a bad base runner IMO.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Nov 28, 2017 -> 11:03 AM) Machado and Harper? Cmon. The Sox do not sign guys to 10 year deals. They just don't. Wanting to sign those guys is dreamland. It's not based anywhere close to reality. Tell me names of guys Sox fans want to pay 15 mill a year to for 5 years or so. I'll point out flaws in those players. Hosmer? Not enuf power. Moustakas? Injury risk cause of conditioning. Cain? Too old. Those are just some examples. Abreu? Too old. Avi? Flash in the pan. He'll never repeat those stats. This wasn't the point. You said no one here says we should sign established players. That is not true.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Nov 28, 2017 -> 10:55 AM) The more he continues to insist that money means literally nothing to him, the more it becomes actually realistic for any AL team to land him. It makes me really sad and disappointed that there are no outward signs that the White Sox are really trying. Obviously that doesn't mean they aren't under the radar, but it would just be so nice to see a public effort a la the Mariners so that we could legitimately hope. Yeah as nice as it would be, it's not really strange since they usually operate that way of flying under the radar.

QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Nov 28, 2017 -> 12:15 AM) What about JBJ for Avi swap? How far off is that? Doesn't seem to make sense. Red Sox would move Bradley to make room for a power bat like Martinez or Stanton to play LF and move Benintendi to CF. I could see some sort of Bradley for a pitcher with similar years of control straight up swap or Bradley for prospects.

QUOTE (Brian @ Nov 27, 2017 -> 01:52 PM) This Kevin storyline on Shameless better have a good payoff cuz it’s pretty lame. Just watched last night. I agree but I guess we'll see later on.

Quote of the thread.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Nov 27, 2017 -> 11:42 PM) You'd want Melky over Avi? I still am waiting to see what established (non prospects) baseball players you guys think are good players and want on your team (and don't list anybody making a good dollar cause we know Sox fans don't want to pay anybody). Modern day fans slay me. Eventually I'm gonna give up and just lurk on here. I am growing weary of defending White Sox baseball players who have been in the bigs a few years. In the sense that you'd have to give up good prospects for 2 years of one (who has had only had one great season among a lot of meh) instead of just a small amount of cash for the other for one or two years, yes.

I don't really view Bradley as a "rebound" type of player and I kinda doubt the Red Sox do either. Despite hitting for a lower average than 2016, He still put up close to a 3 WAR season. I know his 2017 was nowhere near as good as 16 but it's not like he was useless.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Nov 27, 2017 -> 11:42 PM) You'd want Melky over Avi? I still am waiting to see what established (non prospects) baseball players you guys think are good players and want on your team (and don't list anybody making a good dollar cause we know Sox fans don't want to pay anybody). Modern day fans slay me. Eventually I'm gonna give up and just lurk on here. I am growing weary of defending White Sox baseball players who have been in the bigs a few years. You're too funny.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Nov 27, 2017 -> 07:49 PM) Is that Ohtani's actual questionnaire or something that the people at MLB Network came up with as regards to an outline as to what Ohtani may be asking for? Because it seems more like the latter. It's Ohtani's actual questionnaire. Link: https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2017/11/shoh...-mlb-teams.html

Article to read during boring off-season. https://southsideshowdown.com/2017/11/26/wh...-shohei-ohtani/

QUOTE (cjgalloway @ Nov 27, 2017 -> 11:18 AM) Giving our front office a "pass" would mean to let them keep doing what they had been doing and NOT selling. Which is exactly what you want Greg.. Sounds like you're giving them the pass.. But oh well.. the incoherence is confusing. Bingo.

Care, I do not.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Nov 27, 2017 -> 10:26 AM) This goes both ways. You guys who only want prospects to be our rebuilt WS team frustrate me. Why? Our division blows? Yes there's been a flavor of the month, KC when it had the great bullpen and Cleveland (I guess) the past two years. But it doesn't take much to compete in this division. That's why it frustrates me to get rid of Avi and Abreu and push back contention time even more. You guys act like the rebuild is the only way to win a division and get hot and win a WS. And by rebuild I mean the entire roster. Some of us like to have some familiar White Sox names around. It's not our fault it "hasn't worked" before because of an incompetent front office. I understand your position. I don't believe you try to understand ours. Minnie made the playoffs this year for gawd sakes. You guys give our front office a pass for horrid baseball since 2005. I don't. This is hysterical to me lol anyone else see the irony?

You don't say.

When does he get posted again?

Lots of AL teams can offer regular at bats at the DH spot for certain. If he is struggling and his team is contending, they could stop hitting him, which Ohtani would just have to deal with. That would be the risk in choosing a team that is already good now. The Sox can promise him almost 2 years of regular at bats and actually keep it.

QUOTE (ron883 @ Nov 27, 2017 -> 07:38 AM) We could always put a wizard at SS or CF and have a DH bat for them. Youd just have to have pinch hitters ready for when Ohtani get pulled. DH can only bat for the pitcher.

QUOTE (zisk @ Nov 27, 2017 -> 06:46 AM) Ohtani can pitch and hit in the same game . There isn't a rule prohibiting that. Teams probably wouldn't do that so they can keep the DH when he is taken out. Juat let him start at DH 3 games between starts. It would be kind of interesting if he came over and had success with the bat and was hitting like 6th on games he started in the NL games. Would just be odd seeing the starting pitcher hitting 6th.