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QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Jun 20, 2005 -> 04:02 PM) Can I ask who this was? The host of the show... It was a caller, and everyone started calling in after he called. The host (I think Holmes) said he realizes that it was the dumbest trade proposal in the history of the Score and that the callers didn't have to call in to tell him. The guy that proposed it had to be a Cubs fan, but he sounded dead serious. His only comments were that no matter what Willie Harris does he still hates him and that they should trade Podsednik for Patterson. I almost crashed when I heard it.

I was driving home from the game last night and some genius calls in and suggests we trade Scott Podsednik for Corey Patterson. His reasoning was that Patterson can do it all and has more power than Podsednik. Yeah, we're going to trade the best leadoff guy in baseball for one of the worst.

As mentioned, an outfielder is the last thing we need. Plus, you want to get Ken Griffey Jr.? He stays as healthy as Juan Gonzales.

How could this be considered cheating? You can wear sunglasses to the plate if you want.

You're going to keep Timo instead of Willie? That doesn't even make sense.

QUOTE(JimH @ Jun 4, 2005 -> 06:05 PM) OK, I have read the whole thread. Actually I think it's one of the better threads recently. Commentary on the thread 1. Attendance is a legit topic to discuss. There is a direct correlation to revenue vs. what the White Sox spend on payroll. They run the team as a zero sum operation and have increased payroll steadily. Steff knows all the numbers by heart. 2. I disagree with bashing the guy who started the thread. Yes, the topic is somewhat worn out but so is Timo bashing, Crede bashing, Ozzie bashing, etc. Since everything is fair game on this site, so is discussion of attendance. 3. For the "you don't go to games so you have no right to b**** about attendance" crowd: B.S. He brought it up for discussion vs. b****ing about it. Everybody has their reasons for going or not going to games. We are all fans. Anything about the franchise is fair game to discuss. Maybe this guy goes to Sox road games in California. Part of the gate always goes to the visiting team anyway. It's a very small portion but that is the case. 4. b****ing about attendance (if he is indeed b****ing) is no different than b****ing about anything. He presented the argument very well, to say he isn't entitled or qualified to b**** about attendance is ludicrous. The same goes for all of you who b**** about Timo ad nauseum, what makes you qualified to b**** about that? Because you are a fan, and it's a relevant topic to the Chicago White Sox. Stop the elitism crap. I have probably been to more Chicago White Sox games in my lifetime than almost everyone here, save for Steff and quickman and possibly a few others. When I didn't live here I went to their road games (Anaheim and Milwaukee) and traveled in whenever I could. Attendance and lack thereof has been an issue since I can remember and that dates to the mid 1960's. How to Increase Attendance 1. First of all it will not be an overnite thing. Attendance is on the upswing as Mike stated in his post. IMO the casual fan is beginning to notice (rediscover?) the White Sox. People like to do the "in" thing. The Sox are becoming more "in" but this never changes overnite. It took the Cubs 20 years to become the "in" thing (from early/mid 60's to the mid 1980's). The PR people need to keep pressing forward and doing the promotions they do. Over time it will make a difference. 2. Continue redeveloping the neighborhood. I grew up there. There's a mistaken impression about Bridgeport, people hang onto old stories and draw conclusions. Talk to some housewives in Naperville, they think Bridgeport is a slum. Then take them to a few establishments in Bridgeport and watch them go "wow ... this is not that bad, this is kinda nice". Word of mouth is very powerful. They are cleaning up Halsted St. big time, that will help. 3. The White Sox and local establishments should aggressively joint venture. The Sox should promote the neighborhood spots, and vice versa. Example: on the back of every ticket they have a Dunkin Donuts promo. Why not rotate it with a promo for the neighborhood places? "Take your ticket stub to Ricobene's within one week of this game date, get $3 off a pizza." Get the fans out into the neighborhood and they will see it's safe and a nice area to hang out. The establishments in Bridgeport need to press this with the White Sox and the White Sox need to be more open to this idea. Embrace the neighborhood. 4. Continue the focus on marketing to kids. Have even more kids promotions. Fundamentals is a good start, community outreach is a good start. Promote the players at kids events, there are millions of kids activities in Chicago. The White Sox should partner with those organizations more than they do. 5. Do special promos for the upper deck and stop treating it like a red haired step child. Give upper deck people a coupon for concessions, more special meal deals, etc. Market the upper deck to community newspapers. I can't remember the last time I saw a Sox promo piece in my local newspaper. 6. Market the Club Level to the swankier audience. It's a marvelous place to sit, they need to promote it to the higher end audience. Chicago Magazine is a good place to start. 7. Continue the crackdown on idiots at the ballpark in terms of fighting, abusive behavior, etc. Make it known that idiots have to pay consequences, put out a press release when some assclown goes to jail for starting a fight at the ballpark. Reinforce that the Chicago White Sox support a friendly, safe environment. Have fun at the ballpark, kick back a few beers and enjoy yourself but don't get out of line. If you do, you are not welcome here. This supports families going to games. And it makes moms feel safer, a very important factor because we know that moms and wives have significant say so in terms of the entertainment $$. 8. Have more raffle drawings, i.e. Lucky Seat winners. Give away stuff from places in the neighborhood. Not at all hard to do. Show your ticket stub at Guest Relations and win a gift certificate if your name is called. Or, have a Lucky Row contest. They do this in Tucson and the whole row wins a pizza. Makes the game more fun and it's good PR for the franchise and the establishment. There are a lot more ideas but that's a start. Another thing they should do is "personalize" the players more. Boyer is trying to do this. Many of these guys are really nice and their personalities would resonate with White Sox fans. Let the fans get to know the players a bit more. Lots of ways to do this. This is one of the best replies I've ever read on Soxtalk.

What's even scarier about Friday's attendance.....There were A LOT of Indian fans there.

QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Jun 3, 2005 -> 07:33 PM) ChicagoSportsReview Article It's pretty simple...he's not good.

QUOTE(AddisonStSox @ Jun 3, 2005 -> 03:41 PM) I think tonight will be a tough one as Hernandez gets hit up for at least 4 runs. I predict 7 innings of no runs for Hernandez.

QUOTE(Kalapse @ Jun 3, 2005 -> 03:27 PM) I have an idea why doesn't someone make a thread where they complain about the attendance. These threads are scarse and must be made more often. Those types of threads are always appreciated and well received. I'll pass on that, but I still think it sucks that we're not getting at least 30,000 to every game by now.

This has to be some kind of record. Most threads about a player who doesn't even play for the Sox.

QUOTE(retro1983hat @ Jun 3, 2005 -> 01:47 PM) They'll probably draw 73,000 for the entire weekend series. They should be drawing at least 90,000 for the weekend. I know most of the people on this board attend games, but the attendance is really starting to piss me off.

QUOTE(Jabroni @ Jun 3, 2005 -> 02:01 PM) Anyone know if Frank will be DH'ing tonight? That was the plan with only pinch-hitting Wednesday and the off day yesterday.

QUOTE(soxman35 @ Jun 3, 2005 -> 01:40 PM) yeah i am gettting tickets too at the gate probaly bleacher You shouldn't have a problem, it looks like there's way too many tickets available as usual.

I'll be at the game tonight! So far the Sox are 2-0 with me in attendance.

QUOTE(NUKE_CLEVELAND @ May 23, 2005 -> 12:22 AM) MB go back to AAA?!?! LMFAO!!!!!! Seeing how his numbers are better than both Wood AND Prior maybe they both should go first. I wonder if the dumb Cubs fans thought that MB was actually the pitcher called up from AAA to pitch Sunday's game.

You can get a ton of them on Ebay or StubHub, but they're not going to be cheap.

The Count is the only one that worries me when he starts a game. He can be dominating or he can be awful. I would definitely move him into the bullpen.

Ugly uniforms? I've never heard that one before. Is this jerkoff a Cubs fan?

QUOTE(Rowand44 @ May 6, 2005 -> 03:33 AM) You get 2 games per month plus the 13th ozzie game, now you also get an extra cub game, so you get 14. I'm kind of confused what you mean by 4 for may? They may have changed it since you checked it out, but they ask you to pick 4 games in May. At the start of the year, they probably asked you for 2 in April, 2 in May, but now it's 4 games in May. The problem is that they only have 2 different games to select from for May. It won't let you select a game more than once and it won't let you go on to the next step unless you've filled in all your game selections. Which is impossible to do since they don't offer 4 different games to choose from in May.

I tried to order the 13 game plan, but it only gives you 2 options for May games when you have to select 4. There's a Texas series in May that's not even close to being sold out. Anyone have an e-mail address of someone I could contact?

QUOTE(Kalapse @ May 4, 2005 -> 02:36 AM) He also said the Sox play bad defense and aren't exciting to watch. If you don't watch the Sox play you really shouldn't talk about them because none of these people especially Kruk know what the f*** they're talking about. Actually, he said they're exciting to watch.

Is he allowed to do that since he didn't go to the game?

QUOTE(AddisonStSox @ May 2, 2005 -> 11:20 PM) You ever see Jay and Silent Bob Stike Back? I wasn't worried about SoxTalk getting blamed, I just wonder if they're going to try and do something at the gate when these tickets are scanned.

Just curious, What are the Sox going to do when they find out about this?