As someone who isn't as up to date on the nuances of the international FA market, can someone give me a brief summary on the White Sox's position for the '17 signing period? Do they have their full allotted money? Is this expected to be a good class? Looking back I noticed a few teams went all in and signed prospects to bigger $ deals, is this something we could expect to see out of the Sox?

This is a great primer on the July 2, 2017 rules.

 

http://www.baseballamerica.com/internation...-signing-rules/

As someone who isn't as up to date on the nuances of the international FA market, can someone give me a brief summary on the White Sox's position for the '17 signing period? Do they have their full allotted money? Is this expected to be a good class? Looking back I noticed a few teams went all in and signed prospects to bigger $ deals, is this something we could expect to see out of the Sox?

 

 

I posted this a few weeks back:

 

Here's the Baseball America (paywall) explanation from Ben Badler: http://www.baseballamerica.com/internation...hyAyO7IBYWtT.97

 

Clubs either get $5.75, $5.25, or $4.75 million to spend on international prospects under 25 per year. Teams can trade all of their bonus amounts but can only acquire 75% of their bonus pool in trade. Here are the amounts.

 

$5.75 million

 

Arizona

Baltimore

Cleveland

Colorado

Kansas City

Pittsburgh

St. Louis

San Diego

 

$5.25 million

 

Cincinnati

Miami

Milwaukee

Minnesota

Oakland

Tampa Bay

 

$4.75 million

 

Atlanta

Boston

Chicago Cubs

Chicago White Sox

Detroit

Houston

LA Angels

LA Dodgers

NYM

NYY

Philly

San Francisco

Seattle

Texas

Toronto

Washington

 

Players that cost $10,000 or less don't count against the pool. The following teams can't spend over $300,000 on a player because they are in the penalty from previous years: Cubs, Dodgers, Giants, Royals, Athletics, Astros, Braves, Cardinals, Nationals, Padres, and Reds. All of those teams can trade their full amounts however. The White Sox can trade for up to $3.5 million more in international money. This is absolutely something that they should be doing. White Sox can spend $8.3 million internationally if they trade for the maximum that they can. I'll be very curious to see if they do this.

It will be so interesting when the first trade for int'l space goes down. I have to believe the first time it will be a pot sweetener because teams will be so unsure of value going in.

The question is, do we sit out this summer and wait and see if Otani is coming over for sure or not in the winter? I haven't seen any confirmation that he is definitely coming.

The question is, do we sit out this summer and wait and see if Otani is coming over for sure or not in the winter? I haven't seen any confirmation that he is definitely coming.

 

 

He's not coming under these rules. He can wait until he turns 25 and get paid $200 million. I believe Sox will be linked to players for this period. Probably already have agreements. Should start hearing about them in February. Under the new system, it also doesn't make sense to "sit out". Sox should spend their guaranteed $4.75 million every season and try to get up to $8.3 million total to spend.

It will be so interesting when the first trade for int'l space goes down. I have to believe the first time it will be a pot sweetener because teams will be so unsure of value going in.

It gets really confusing when you start thinking about eating MLB salaries as a way to get teams to give up some of their pool in a trade. Imagine the Sox paying some of Robertson remaining $24m so they could acquire some of a team's bonus pool. It's like buying a coupon book sort of, except the coupon book doesn't have any discounts it just lets you spend more of your money.

 

It will be so interesting when the first trade for int'l space goes down. I have to believe the first time it will be a pot sweetener because teams will be so unsure of value going in.

 

 

Remember though, they can't trade for space until after July 2nd. There's a solid chance that the Sox have agreements with guys and don't officially get the $$ to sign immediately. They can acquire space from July 2nd until June 15th 2018 I believe. I agree with you though that it should be interesting.

Remember though, they can't trade for space until after July 2nd. There's a solid chance that the Sox have agreements with guys and don't officially get the $$ to sign immediately. They can acquire space from July 2nd until June 15th 2018 I believe. I agree with you though that it should be interesting.

 

That's a good point.

He's not coming under these rules. He can wait until he turns 25 and get paid $200 million. I believe Sox will be linked to players for this period. Probably already have agreements. Should start hearing about them in February. Under the new system, it also doesn't make sense to "sit out". Sox should spend their guaranteed $4.75 million every season and try to get up to $8.3 million total to spend.

 

What could be interesting at this specific moment is the old rules were way lower cap numbers for the teams. For all of the teams that had been planning on staying under cap, they may well be looking at a decent amount of extra money that they didn't expect to have. For example, the Sox had about 2.9 million last year, and finished right around the same spot this year. If they had been negotiating with the idea that they had $3 million-ish to spend, what changes now they have about $2 million more dollars for this July?

Ugh, just thought about possibility that handlers could cut a higher deal with teams to adjust for more money and not share with player. I hope they are regulating this money influx.

Interesting to see what the strategy is whether you try to use all $4mil+ on 1 player, or divide it up into a few, etc.

somebody remind me again why we get the same amount as the Cubs?

somebody remind me again why we get the same amount as the Cubs?

 

 

Chicago market.

Interesting to see what the strategy is whether you try to use all $4mil+ on 1 player, or divide it up into a few, etc.

 

 

I would think it would be dispersed. Spending it all on 1 16 year old is pretty stupid. I really just hope that they acquire the extra $3.5 million to spend.

Chicago market.

 

Some goofy groupings. I don't like how they differentiated based on market. Should be historical organizational payroll or something.

So has there been anything confirming that Otani is going to come over next off-season?

Edited February 7, 20179 yr by soxfan2014

So has there been anything confirming he is going to come over next off-season?

 

Who?

Who?

 

Otani. Sorry. I searched him and this thread came up and I clicked into it without reading.

Otani. Sorry. I searched him and this thread came up and I clicked into it without reading.

 

Ah. Nothing official has been said.

http://www.baseballamerica.com/internation...b1xKFyoskYw5.97

 

Ben Badler's first International Preview is out. The White Sox are not linked to anyone in this article. They have $4.75 million to spend. They can acquire $3.5 million more. If they don't capitalize this year, they are the same old White Sox in my opinion. There is no excuse not to spend $8 million on the foreign market this year and they should get eviscerated if they do not do so.

That is incredibly disappointing. I thought, as with when draft slots were announced, we would end up seeing immediate upgrade in our returns.

 

What's more of what you have up there, half the teams it seems like are restricted to 300k signings.

 

Unless this means we have some secret info that Luis Robert will be posted after 6/15 and have a deal, I'm equally disappointed.

That is incredibly disappointing. I thought, as with when draft slots were announced, we would end up seeing immediate upgrade in our returns.

 

What's more of what you have up there, half the teams it seems like are restricted to 300k signings.

 

Unless this means we have some secret info that Luis Robert will be posted after 6/15 and have a deal, I'm equally disappointed.

 

 

It could be the case. Paddy told Bilek last year that they were in on a big pitcher. They look to be continuing the strategy of signing multiple $1 million guys instead of a big fish.

It could be the case. Paddy told Bilek last year that they were in on a big pitcher. They look to be continuing the strategy of signing multiple $1 million guys instead of a big fish.

 

It could also just be that Badler is restricted to info from scouts that have historically been big players in the INTL FA market so could be overhyping players based on their info, but those teams also happen to be the ones that, like, have a lot of developed and performing LatAm players.

http://www.baseballamerica.com/internation...b1xKFyoskYw5.97

 

Ben Badler's first International Preview is out. The White Sox are not linked to anyone in this article. They have $4.75 million to spend. They can acquire $3.5 million more. If they don't capitalize this year, they are the same old White Sox in my opinion. There is no excuse not to spend $8 million on the foreign market this year and they should get eviscerated if they do not do so.

 

Eh, I am not sure why anyone would really expect different this year. These deals were pretty much made before this new cap program came out at a point when the White Sox thought they had about half of the money they do now. Maybe there is a guy or two that had fell through the cracks, but the timeline isn't really there to have been superaggressive in this market. I mean we all knew they were never going to go over allotment, so the fact that they aren't shouldn't reawlly be a shock.

 

The one place they might be able to still make same hay is Cuba.