CrimsonWeltall Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 QUOTE (raBBit @ Mar 21, 2017 -> 05:41 PM) It's released that there's no evidence of Russia fixing the election but the talk is still impeach Trump. How does one eliminate the other? And why is Trump continuing to lie about it all? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illinilaw08 Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 QUOTE (raBBit @ Mar 21, 2017 -> 11:41 AM) It's released that there's no evidence of Russia fixing the election but the talk is still impeach Trump. This Muslim ban is scary though. I'm worried my friends from Indonesia aren't ever going to be able to come visit. Incorrect. Comey testified that there was no evidence he was aware of that Russia directly manipulated voting machines. Ie, there's no evidence that Russia hacked election technology to turn a vote for HRC into a vote for Trump. That is very different from whether Russia tried to swing the election to Trump by hacking the DNC or otherwise, and whether they worked directly with the Trump campaign to do so. That is still being investigated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 QUOTE (raBBit @ Mar 21, 2017 -> 12:41 PM) It's released that there's no evidence of Russia fixing the election but the talk is still impeach Trump. I mean, I don't remember actual vote fraud being a "thing" with Russia anyway. It was always about softer influence, which in fact Comey confirmed was the Russian aim. Now it's a question of whether or not there was collusion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 QUOTE (illinilaw08 @ Mar 21, 2017 -> 12:54 PM) Incorrect. Comey testified that there was no evidence he was aware of that Russia directly manipulated voting machines. Ie, there's no evidence that Russia hacked election technology to turn a vote for HRC into a vote for Trump. That is very different from whether Russia tried to swing the election to Trump by hacking the DNC or otherwise, and whether they worked directly with the Trump campaign to do so. That is still being investigated. Thats right, the only thing they said was the NSA and FBI had no evidence of votes being switched or the machines being hacked. Pretty sure that was never in question. LOVE how that has been skewed to mean there is no evidence they directly influenced the election. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 (edited) White House says Republicans who oppose the health care bill "will probably pay a price at home" Spicer said Republicans who vote against the GOP's health care bill "will probably pay a price at home." He didn’t rule out Trump campaigning against those Republicans. "You can’t go promise over and over again" and not deliver, Spicer said. "This was a major component in the last election, and I think there was not a single Republican member who went out and talked about this." www.cnn.com http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/201...ep-state-214935 Why Steve Bannon Wants You To Believe In the Deep State http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/21/world/electr...trnd/index.html Fallout from electronics ban...with stories of affected families. Can't imagine having young kids used to traveling with their iPad games on a 10+ hour flight and having that taken away as an option...or all the complaints we'll see about electronics being stolen from checked baggage in processing. Edited March 21, 2017 by caulfield12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 (edited) QUOTE (RockRaines @ Mar 21, 2017 -> 12:15 PM) Thats right, the only thing they said was the NSA and FBI had no evidence of votes being switched or the machines being hacked. Pretty sure that was never in question. LOVE how that has been skewed to mean there is no evidence they directly influenced the election. One of the GOP Congressmen went through the charade of listing off 10-12 swing states one by one to get this on record. The most bizarre part was Trump live tweeting and then at least one of his tweets being directly added to the questioning...which was another one of the many non-answers. Also, wonder how long before Flynn, Page, Manafort or Stone crack/flip on Trump if threatened with prosecution? Of course, you have all the Trumpites vowing a civil war (listening to c-span) if the Pence/Ryan/Priebus cabal gets The Donald impeached to push him out of the way so their shadow government can officially come out into the light. One day, it's the Obama Deep State subverting and sabotaging. Now it's his own party. The irony is that many believe Trump will try to cut lose Ryan when the AHCA proves to be a disaster or doesn't even make it out of the Senate. Breitbart's been attacking Ryan mercilessly these days, under Bannon's "secret" orders. Edited March 21, 2017 by caulfield12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 Ivanka is being given a White House office. https://twitter.com/maggieNYT/status/844325752468312068 Despot levels of nepotism Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted March 22, 2017 Share Posted March 22, 2017 Tillerson took the job because he wife told him to. https://twitter.com/ericgeller/status/844366774246236160 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted March 22, 2017 Share Posted March 22, 2017 Manafort was paid millions of dollars a year by Russians to push a pro Putin agenda before becoming Trump's campaign manager. https://www.apnews.com/122ae0b5848345faa881...utin-Government Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Hurtin Posted March 22, 2017 Share Posted March 22, 2017 Did anyone watch Rachel Maddow's segment last night about the weaponized use of bots to deceminate fake news? Two thoughts came to mind: 1. If Trump is really that deep in with the Russians, could his overuse of course the term "fake news" be him openly mocking us, while amusing his pal Putin? 2. Maybe Greg isn't really a user, but a Russian bot. (Just kidding on number 2) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted March 22, 2017 Share Posted March 22, 2017 Manafort and his associates remain in Trump's orbit. Manafort told a colleague this year that he continues to speak with Trump by telephone. Manafort's former business partner in eastern Europe, Rick Gates, has been seen inside the White House on a number of occasions. Gates has since helped plan Trump's inauguration and now runs a nonprofit organization, America First Policies, to back the White House agenda. Gates, whose name does not appear in the documents, told the AP that he joined Manafort's firm in 2006 and was aware Manafort had a relationship with Deripaska, but he was not aware of the work described in the memos. Gates said his work was focused on domestic U.S. lobbying and political consulting in Ukraine at the time. He said he stopped working for Manafort's firm in March 2016 when he joined Trump's presidential campaign. Manafort told Deripaska in 2005 that he was pushing policies as part of his work in Ukraine "at the highest levels of the U.S. government — the White House, Capitol Hill and the State Department," according to the documents. He also said he had hired a "leading international law firm with close ties to President Bush to support our client's interests," but he did not identify the firm. Manafort also said he was employing unidentified legal experts for the effort at leading universities and think tanks, including Duke University, New York University and the Center for Strategic and International Studies. Manafort did not disclose details about the lobbying work to the Justice Department during the period the contract was in place. Under the Foreign Agents Registration Act, people who lobby in the U.S. on behalf of foreign political leaders or political parties must provide detailed reports about their actions to the department. Willfully failing to register is a felony and can result in up to five years in prison and a fine of up to $250,000, though the government rarely files criminal charges. Deripaska owns Basic Element Co., which employs 200,000 people worldwide in the agriculture, aviation, construction, energy, financial services, insurance and manufacturing industries, and he runs one of the world's largest aluminum companies. Forbes estimated his net worth at $5.2 billion. How much Deripaska paid Manafort in total is not clear, but people familiar with the relationship said money transfers to Manafort amounted to tens of millions of dollars and continued through at least 2009. They spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss the secret payments publicly. In strategy memos, Manafort proposed that Deripaska and Putin would benefit from lobbying Western governments, especially the U.S., to allow oligarchs to keep possession of formerly state-owned assets in Ukraine. He proposed building "long term relationships" with Western journalists and a variety of measures to improve recruitment, communications and financial planning by pro-Russian parties in the region. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted March 22, 2017 Share Posted March 22, 2017 Oh yeah, he's going to be the fall guy. Enjoy prison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted March 22, 2017 Share Posted March 22, 2017 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Mar 22, 2017 -> 07:12 AM) Oh yeah, he's going to be the fall guy. Enjoy prison. Ukranian or US prison? Just imagine being investigated for treason at home and being investigated for corruption in another country. Great things, great things Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted March 22, 2017 Share Posted March 22, 2017 QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Mar 22, 2017 -> 07:19 AM) Ukranian or US prison? Just imagine being investigated for treason at home and being investigated for corruption in another country. Great things, great things guessing wherever gives the least possibility of exposing the president with information. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted March 22, 2017 Share Posted March 22, 2017 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Mar 22, 2017 -> 07:35 AM) guessing wherever gives the least possibility of exposing the president with information. Ah, so you mean thrown off of a fourth floor balcony. like Gorokhov yesterday. i mean "fell out of the window trying to put a jacuzzi in his apartment" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted March 22, 2017 Share Posted March 22, 2017 This is the main takeaway from the Manafort article: Manafort proposed in a confidential strategy plan as early as June 2005 that he would influence politics, business dealings and news coverage inside the United States, Europe and the former Soviet republics to benefit the Putin government, even as U.S.-Russia relations under Republican President George W. Bush grew worse. Manafort pitched the plans to Russian aluminum magnate Oleg Deripaska, a close Putin ally with whom Manafort eventually signed a $10 million annual contract beginning in 2006, according to interviews with several people familiar with payments to Manafort and business records obtained by the AP. Manafort and Deripaska maintained a business relationship until at least 2009, according to one person familiar with the work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted March 22, 2017 Share Posted March 22, 2017 QUOTE (Tony @ Mar 21, 2017 -> 10:34 PM) Man, your title doesn't even do it justice. Read that entire quote. Yikes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted March 22, 2017 Share Posted March 22, 2017 Screw this Russian crap. Investigations need to focus on Benghazi. Take another look into Hillary's emails. She's the one that needs to be behind bars, not these criminals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted March 22, 2017 Share Posted March 22, 2017 Look, we have no evidence that the Russians literally hacked the voting machines, which is the only charge anyone has made and definitely zero people have brought up all of the weird Russian connections, praise for Putin/Russia, softening the GOP platform against Russia, blowing off NATO to go visit Russia, stacking the admin with Russia-friendly guys, constantly lying about contacts with Russians, having paid Russian stooges embedded deep within both the campaign and admin, etc. etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted March 22, 2017 Share Posted March 22, 2017 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Mar 22, 2017 -> 08:34 AM) Look, we have no evidence that the Russians literally hacked the voting machines, which is the only charge anyone has made and definitely zero people have brought up all of the weird Russian connections, praise for Putin/Russia, softening the GOP platform against Russia, blowing off NATO to go visit Russia, stacking the admin with Russia-friendly guys, constantly lying about contacts with Russians, having paid Russian stooges embedded deep within both the campaign and admin, etc. etc. Exactly, nothing to see here. Fake news. Trying to take the focus off all Trump has accomplished since he took over, slashing a couple of strokes off his handicap. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted March 22, 2017 Share Posted March 22, 2017 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Mar 22, 2017 -> 08:42 AM) Exactly, nothing to see here. Fake news. Trying to take the focus off all Trump has accomplished since he took over, slashing a couple of strokes off his handicap. . I think he added a few strokes. Every pic i see, he is in the rough or a bunker, squinting trying to see where his ball went. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted March 22, 2017 Share Posted March 22, 2017 Here's a redacted email showing when the Trump transition team was asking to use military vehicles in the inaugural parade Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MexSoxFan#1 Posted March 22, 2017 Share Posted March 22, 2017 His poll numbers are also starting to dip below 40%. Looks like it's finally hitting some of the dummies that voted for him that he doesn't give a crap about the poor and elderly, many of which voted for him and all he cares about is spending more on the military and giving his millionaire buddies big tax cuts. Trump might set a record for low approval ratings sometime soon, when they actually see their healthcare being taken away, lol. I've seen many Trump supporters already regretting having voted for him when his proposed budget came out. Some of them depend on those programs he wants to cut, lots of sad situations but I have zero sympathy for them, you were warned that Trump is a major POS, now live with the consequences. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted March 22, 2017 Share Posted March 22, 2017 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Mar 22, 2017 -> 09:14 AM) Here's a redacted email showing when the Trump transition team was asking to use military vehicles in the inaugural parade Huh, what other countries have tanks lined up at presidential speeches and such? seems strange Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted March 22, 2017 Share Posted March 22, 2017 QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Mar 22, 2017 -> 09:16 AM) Huh, what other countries have tanks lined up at presidential speeches and such? seems strange Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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