2 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:

So just to be clear, your plan is to rush all our prospects to somehow make things “interesting”?  I’d like to share my actual thoughts here, but would prefer to avoid a likely suspension.

Lol same thought 

So just to be clear, your plan is  I’d like to share my actual thoughts here, but would prefer to avoid a likely suspension.

I guess you missed  "semi-serious" or do not understand what that means or you cannot appreciate sarcasm.

Anyway, I sense some repressed anger. If that's the case go ahead and vent if that makes you feel better.  

 

Lol same thought 

Same lack of thought.

30 minutes ago, tray said:

So just to be clear, your plan is  I’d like to share my actual thoughts here, but would prefer to avoid a likely suspension.

I guess you missed  "semi-serious" or do not understand what that means or you cannot appreciate sarcasm.

Anyway, I sense some repressed anger. If that's the case go ahead and vent if that makes you feel better.  

 

So it was all a joke then?

41 minutes ago, tray said:

Lol same thought 

Same lack of thought.

Um...what? Not a lack of thought. We just think the idea is plain stupid. And it is. You don't rush guys to the big leagues just to make the season "interesting." In fact, I think most would prefer they kept them down in the minors until you know, they're actually ready to play? And in the meantime, sign guys to 1-2 year deals with the idea of flipping again.

Edited November 20, 20187 yr by soxfan2014

3 hours ago, Chicago White Sox said:

So just to be clear, your plan is to rush all our prospects to somehow make things “interesting”?  I’d like to share my actual thoughts here, but would prefer to avoid a likely suspension.

QFT.

13 hours ago, southsider2k5 said:

People wanted the rebuild so badly, and despite all of the evidence of how long that it would take, people still seem surprised and upset it is taking so long.  This is a process.  Sure a big signing could speed this up by maybe a bit, but this team is not going anywhere in 2019, and probably not 2020.  This was was true when they burned it down 2 years ago, and it is still true today.

By "people", presume you mean the people in the front office, the ones responsible for all of the losing that brought on the need for the so-called "rebuild" in the first place.  They of course would want the rebuild "badly", as it represents a do-over of sorts, and another chance to get it right and therefore keep their jobs.  Those are the people who would want the chance to rebuild.

As for the fans, though, we absolutely never "want" a rebuild, because that is synonomous with lots and lots of losing baseball.  All of the losing leading up to the rebuild, and then of course all of the losing that comes during the rebuild (see the 100 losses in the 2018 season).  Certainly no fans want to have to endure all of that, but as loyal fans, we plug our collective noses and suffer through it in hopes there will be a return to winning baseball at the end of the rebuild.  That's really our only choice.  But as for rebuilds in general, by no means do fans ever "want it badly".  It's simply not an enjoyable experience.  

11 minutes ago, Fan O'Faust said:

By "people", presume you mean the people in the front office, the ones responsible for all of the losing that brought on the need for the so-called "rebuild" in the first place.  They of course would want the rebuild "badly", as it represents a do-over of sorts, and another chance to get it right and therefore keep their jobs.  Those are the people who would want the chance to rebuild.

As for the fans, though, we absolutely never "want" a rebuild, because that is synonomous with lots and lots of losing baseball.  All of the losing leading up to the rebuild, and then of course all of the losing that comes during the rebuild (see the 100 losses in the 2018 season).  Certainly no fans want to have to endure all of that, but as loyal fans, we plug our collective noses and suffer through it in hopes there will be a return to winning baseball at the end of the rebuild.  That's really our only choice.  But as for rebuilds in general, by no means do fans ever "want it badly".  It's simply not an enjoyable experience.  

Welcome to Soxtalk, you must be new here.  There will only a couple of us holdouts who didn't want to see a rebuild.  The VAST majority of fans wanted this.  There were literally thousands of posts over a period of years begging for it.  All of them wanted to be the Cubs/Astros/Royals.

14 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

Welcome to Soxtalk, you must be new here.  There will only a couple of us holdouts who didn't want to see a rebuild.  The VAST majority of fans wanted this.  There were literally thousands of posts over a period of years begging for it.  All of them wanted to be the Cubs/Astros/Royals.

Why yes I would like to have won one of the previous 3 world series I would have liked that very much.

On 11/20/2018 at 11:00 AM, southsider2k5 said:

Welcome to Soxtalk, you must be new here.  There will only a couple of us holdouts who didn't want to see a rebuild.  The VAST majority of fans wanted this.  There were literally thousands of posts over a period of years begging for it.  .All of them wanted to be the Cubs/Astros/Royals.

Sadly, we didn’t get the integral aspect of either the Cubs or Astros rebuilds, which was NEW ownership and NEW front offices, to take over from the regimes whose failures brought the need for those respective rebuilds in the first place.  Nope, our rebuild bypassed that critical part of the process.  

30 minutes ago, Fan O'Faust said:

Sadly, we didn’t get the integral aspect of either the Cubs or Astros rebuilds, which was NEW ownership and NEW front offices, to take over from the regimes whose failures brought the need for those respective rebuilds in the first place.  Nope, our rebuild bypassed that critical part of the process.  

Eh, no need for sour grapes- it’s just baseball.  

 

It’s been mentioned a million times but the Sox were competitive for about 15 straight years, usually a piece short.  

Lets give them a chance to rebuild it since they’ve never tried before. 

On 11/22/2018 at 10:03 AM, Jerksticks said:

It’s been mentioned a million times but the Sox were competitive for about 15 straight years, usually a piece short.  

Please, enough with this “they’ve been competitive” business.  The Sox have managed to win the A.L. Central division just three times in the 24 years of the division’s existence.   They didn’t make the playoffs in any of those other 21 seasons when they didn’t win the division outright.  And now the experience of this so-called “rebuild”.  It’s time to raise the bar a little higher than to just say they’ve been “competitive” in all of these other non-postseason seasons over the years. 

This is why you have to admire the Sox fan base.  We’ve had little to cheer about over the years, yet we remain White Sox fans.  Let’s hope these n’er do-wells running this organization are actually successful with this rebuild business and for the first time in our lifetimes produce a sustainable winning ball club for us all to enjoy.  No other fan base is more deserving at this point!

Edited November 23, 20187 yr by Fan O'Faust

1 hour ago, Fan O'Faust said:

Please, enough with this “they’ve been competitive” business.  The Sox have managed to win the A.L. Central division just three times in the 24 years of the division’s existence.   They didn’t make the playoffs in any of those other 21 seasons when they didn’t win the division outright.  And now the experience of this so-called “rebuild”.  It’s time to raise the bar a little higher than to just say they’ve been “competitive” in all of these other non-postseason seasons over the years. 

This is why you have to admire the Sox fan base.  We’ve had little to cheer about over the years, yet we remain White Sox fans.  Let’s hope these n’er do-wells running this organization are actually successful with this rebuild business and for the first time in our lifetimes produce a sustainable winning ball club for us all to enjoy.  No other fan base is more deserving at this point!

Yep!  And there have been very very very few examples of sustainable winning ball clubs in the entire history of baseball.  

It’s not like we are this one loner team so poorly run.  If you ain’t a cardinals or Yankees fan you probably have a long history of generally poor performance 

I agree. For sustained success without an occasional 3-4 losing seasons to reset you need insane money like the Yankees and even they had to do that little mini rebuild were they traded Miller, Chapman and some others to reload the farm.

 

The sox had been a mid 70s win team for several years and would have needed to add at least 15 WAR to compete with the 16-18 Indians. 

15 war in 2016 cost about 120 millions. The 2016 payroll was 98M, so competing with the Indians in 2016 would have costed about 220M  . Just adding  a few pieces to that core wouldn't have been enough.

Sure their top 4 players (Eaton, abreu, sale, Quintana) were championship caliber but depth is important. There really was no alternative to a rebuild unless they could have gone way over the luxury tax.

It was never just about just adding 30-40M of payroll to fill a few holes.

A rebuild is no guarantee for success either but in the sox 2016 situation with the lack of depth and a super team in Cleveland emerging in the 16-18 timeframe a rebuild was the best option even if it hurt.