January 20, 20197 yr This trade only makes sense to me if the Sox are trading expendable bullpen arms or something of that nature. I like Bummer and still have hope for Fulmer, but those are pieces you easily move for a guy like like Joc. I also think this means you pretty much have to add a legit SP to anchor the rotation, because Joc is a “go for it” move. So let’s say we sign Machado, trade Bummer & Fulmer for Joc, and then go out and sign Kuechel to top it all off. Can this team compete for a playoff spot next year? Probably still need a couple breakouts from Moncada, Lopez, Rodon, etc, but suddenly you can squint & see a path to contention while maintaining all our prospect depth. Lineup: 1) Moncada, 2B 2) Machado, 3B 3) Abreu, DH 4) Pederson, CF 5) Jimenez, LF 6) Alonso, 1B 7) Castillo, C ? Jay, RF 9. Anderson, SS Bench: IF: Sanchez OF: Engel UT: Rondon BC: McCann Rotation: Keuchel (LH) Lopez (RH) Rodon (LH) Nova (RH) Giolito (RH) Bullpen: CL: Herrera SU: Colome SU: Fry MR: Jones MR: Frare MR: Hamilton LR: Covey
January 20, 20197 yr 12 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: This trade only makes sense to me if the Sox are trading expendable bullpen arms or something of that nature. I like Bummer and still have hope for Fulmer, but those are pieces you easily move for a guy like like Joc. I also think this means you pretty much have to add a legit SP to anchor the rotation, because Joc is a “go for it” move. So let’s say we sign Machado, trade Bummer & Fulmer for Joc, and then go out and sign Kuechel to top it all off. Can this team compete for a playoff spot next year? Probably still need a couple breakouts from Moncada, Lopez, Rodon, etc, but suddenly you can squint & see a path to contention while maintaining all our prospect depth. Lineup: 1) Moncada, 2B 2) Machado, 3B 3) Abreu, DH 4) Pederson, CF 5) Jimenez, LF 6) Alonso, 1B 7) Castillo, C ? Jay, RF 9. Anderson, SS Bench: IF: Sanchez OF: Engel UT: Rondon BC: McCann Rotation: Keuchel (LH) Lopez (RH) Rodon (LH) Nova (RH) Giolito (RH) Bullpen: CL: Herrera SU: Colome SU: Fry MR: Jones MR: Frare MR: Hamilton LR: Covey Where you putting Palka?
January 20, 20197 yr Who knows if there is anything to the rumor, but I do think Joc did some work with the new hitting analytics guy.
January 20, 20197 yr 3 minutes ago, Dick Allen said: Who knows if there is anything to the rumor, but I do think Joc did some work with the new hitting analytics guy. Ah, nice! Nice tidbit find.
January 20, 20197 yr I like Joc as a player but I am staunchly opposed to trading Bryce Bush. After destroying the AZL, he held his own in great Falls while he was over 2.5 yrs younger than the average player And even if we sign Manny, you could always move Bush to first or a corner OF if he forces the issue.
January 20, 20197 yr I had mentioned sniffing around a jbj/porcello sumo and this is same years and structure. depends on return. I’ll just add that if bush goes I’ll be furious and it is horrendous process by Sox.
January 20, 20197 yr Bummer on the other hand is someone I'll gladly trade for Joc. Same for Jace Fry.
January 20, 20197 yr Hill bridges the one year gap to Kopech and having Pederson through the 2020 season buys time for Robert, Basabe, Gonzalez, Rutherford to develop. I'm all for this depending on what the Sox have to give up.
January 20, 20197 yr 6 hours ago, Whitesox27 said: This deal seems like it would make a lot of sense for both sides. Sox get a quality outfielder and a guy they can slot into the #5 spot in the starting rotation, while the Dodgers clear some salary and get two potential bullpen pieces who are young and under team control for awhile. If you think about it, it probably makes more sense for the Sox to sign Pollock. He is better than Joc. You don’t have to pay Hill $18-19 million for probably 125 innings. And you keep your prospects. if it is just Fuller and Bummer, I could see why they would do it. But they have to add to that, it would be showing a lot of impatience.
January 20, 20197 yr 22 minutes ago, Ross Gload Fan said: Where you putting Palka? In Charlotte as part of the greatest AAAA OF ever with Nicky, Tilson, & Cordell.
January 20, 20197 yr 3 minutes ago, Dick Allen said: If you think about it, it probably makes more sense for the Sox to sign Pollock. He is better than Joc. You don’t have to pay Hill $18-19 million for probably 125 innings. And you keep your prospects. if it is just Fuller and Bummer, I could see why they would do it. But they have to add to that, it would be showing a lot of impatience. Pollock costs you a pick though and would also lock up more payroll in years 3, 4 etc.
January 20, 20197 yr 4 minutes ago, GermanSoxFan said: Bummer on the other hand is someone I'll gladly trade for Joc. Same for Jace Fry. Jace Fry was nasty AF last year and is a pretty integral piece to our bullpen. Plus he has five years of control. Trading him for Joc seems counter-productive IMO.
January 20, 20197 yr 3 minutes ago, fathom said: Pollock costs you a pick though and would also lock up more payroll in years 3, 4 etc. Not paying Hill or Joc, and getting Alonso and Jay off the books after 2019, more than pays for Pollock.
January 20, 20197 yr 7 hours ago, ChiliIrishHammock24 said: Something I just happen to think about.... Would be slick as fuck for them to dump any of those guys while they still have value. And only way MLB could tell them they can't trade them is if they basically know they got them pinned. Hmm. While I think there might be something to them using a trade as a loophole for punishment, there is little chance the league offices would approve the trade if they know the punishment is coming soon. On top of that, I think the players involved really only seem to be the Cuban guys because I think what they were accused of was basically human trafficking as opposed to packaging players and circumventing the cap like the Braves did. There are a couple guys that fit the Cuban player timeline that they have already traded (Yusniel Diaz, Yordan Alvarez) but the only guys they have left that fit the description and are seemingly worth anything are Yadier Alvarez and Omar Estevez. 3 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: In Charlotte as part of the greatest AAAA OF ever with Nicky, Tilson, & Cordell. Yeah, if he has an option left sending him to to work with our new analytics guys and the new AAA hitting coach might be better for any long term potential than just platooning him in the majors. It could also give him some experience at first so he can have some versatility instead of potentially being stuck as a DH only.
January 20, 20197 yr 3 minutes ago, fathom said: Pollock costs you a pick though and would also lock up more payroll in years 3, 4 etc. Yup, Joc would be a perfect bridge to our OF prospects because by 2021 a good chunk of them should be ready. It really comes down to the cost though. If it can happen for excess arms, which will have to happen at some point given our 40 man roster issues, I’m all for it.
January 20, 20197 yr If the discussions are about Hill and Pederson then I don't see how the Sox would need to give up Bush. Hill's age, contract and inability to stay healthy devalues Pederson enough to take Bush out of the talks.
January 20, 20197 yr A lot of people on this board hate guys who just strike out or hit homers. Welcome to Soxtalk, Joc Pederson!
January 20, 20197 yr 26 minutes ago, Ross Gload Fan said: Where you putting Palka? Trade Palka in the Pederson deal. Hell there's a long list of guys to trade . Palka. Delmonico, any young reliever , Leury Garcia Palka is Pederson without the fielding ability and without Pederson's experience so you trade years of control for defense and throw in a pitcher to balance it. if Hill is part of the deal don't give them much more for helping them with salary cap. After all they could change mind on Harper then and if Sox have any inclination of getting Harper too we can't help the Dodgers too much. Delmonico,Fulmer might as well dump any redundant excess older OF's we can now. No on Bryce Bush , He might be the Bryce we actually want. Our scraps for old injury plagued pitcher, decent part time OF , and salary cap reduction.
January 20, 20197 yr It seems smarter to get Pederson and Hill for basically table scraps than paying Years 4-5 on Pollock and losing the draft pick. Pollock, on a three year deal, that would be fine. To the Dodgers clearing all that payroll space for Pollock makes MORE sense, because they really need the RH hitting outfielder to balance things out and we could definitely use a lefty for ours. Pollock and Pederson are both hitters with pretty high variability who could end up 1 or 5 but shoul end closer to 3.
January 20, 20197 yr 6 minutes ago, LittleHurt05 said: A lot of people on this board hate guys who just strike out or hit homers. Welcome to Soxtalk, Joc Pederson! He’s only struck out in ~20% of his plate appearances over the last two seasons.
January 20, 20197 yr 5 minutes ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said: Trade Palka in the Pederson deal. Hell there's a long list of guys to trade . Palka. Delmonico, any young reliever , Leury Garcia Palka is Pederson without the fielding ability and without Pederson's experience so you trade years of control for defense and throw in a pitcher to balance it. if Hill is part of the deal don't give them much more for helping them with salary cap. After all they could change mind on Harper then and if Sox have any inclination of getting Harper too we can't help the Dodgers too much. Delmonico,Fulmer might as well dump any redundant excess older OF's we can now. No on Bryce Bush , He might be the Bryce we actually want. Our scraps for old injury plagued pitcher, decent part time OF , and salary cap reduction. He still has a role unless we’re going to start Leury or add Markakis/Jones into the RF mix as well. The Dodgers most assuredly don’t need any more LH hitting outfielders who can’t even defend a corner position...and he’s the type of hitter who needs regular playing time with that type of hitting approach.
January 20, 20197 yr 1 minute ago, Chicago White Sox said: He’s only struck out in ~20% of his plate appearances over the last two seasons. If you just looked at the numbers and threw out Harper’s 10 fWAR season and Pederson’s 0.6 in 2017...Pederson would look like an $80-110 million player when hitting free agency at 28/29. And you’d essentially be getting him without a significant dent in your prospect list. Not to mention, the rotation would be much more competitive on a daily basis, you could slot Covey for the bullpen AND provide Fulmer another shot to get his career back on track.
January 20, 20197 yr Joc is not bad. I have always kind of hoped the Sox went after him the last couple of years. Seems to be the odd man out in LA all the time but is still a good player. But at this point, if you are going to lose him in 2 seasons, giving up value doesn’t make a lot of sense. Bummer, fine. He seems like he will be OK, but acquiring someone similar shouldn’t be too hard if needed. Fuller, OK. It doesn’t look like the Sox plan for him is working. Even Frye, it’s not like he is Billy Wagner or even Zach Britton. Next man up is probably just as likely to be around 3 or 4 years from now. But a guy like Bush maycome back to haunt them. Especially is Joc is a 2 year guy.
January 20, 20197 yr 3 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: He still has a role unless we’re going to start Leury or add Markakis/Jones into the RF mix as well. The Dodgers most assuredly don’t need any more LH hitting outfielders who can’t even defend a corner position...and he’s the type of hitter who needs regular playing time with that type of hitting approach. Who still has a role ? Palka ? Not here if we have Pederson. Besides I don't care about the Dodgers needs. I want to win the trade. Dodgers want salary relief and OF space. They aren't going to get shit player wise.
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