July 12, 20196 yr 40 minutes ago, Jake said: I wouldn't be against the Bulls finding a different way to build a winner because it sure seems that "sell out for superstars" is a method that burns most of those who try it. Most of our recent championships have been won by a team that drafted most of its key players and didn't exactly sell out to add Durant. Raps sold out, got their title, and now get to watch as their Finals MVP goes to LA. Boston isn't totally dead yet, but their acquisition of Kyrie didn't yield much (but maybe they didn't really sell out to get him). Lakers got LeBron basically by default after the Cavs ran him out of town and it's not clear yet whether their attempt to build a super-team will be successful. Knicks thought they were getting KD and, well, you know. Plenty of others left at the altar over the years. Celts are an example of how refusing to sell out hurts. The knicks are not a good example, they literally traded away a star because they thought they'd ace FA. Only one team can win a championship, but the teams that now have two stars are a heck of a lot better shape to win one regardless of how many wins the indiana pacers will get next year.
July 12, 20196 yr 56 minutes ago, bmags said: Celts are an example of how refusing to sell out hurts. The knicks are not a good example, they literally traded away a star because they thought they'd ace FA. Only one team can win a championship, but the teams that now have two stars are a heck of a lot better shape to win one regardless of how many wins the indiana pacers will get next year. I'm not sure that I'd say the Celts "Refused to sell out for a star" when they traded for Irving and signed Hayward, things just didn't go as planned with those guys.
July 12, 20196 yr 1 minute ago, Balta1701 said: I'm not sure that I'd say the Celts "Refused to sell out for a star" when they traded for Irving and signed Hayward, things just didn't go as planned with those guys. No, they had assets galore and kept waiting for AD. They obviously acquired Kyrie but could have been much more aggressive in adding multiple with all of the assets they have, now they got a bunch of guys.
July 12, 20196 yr 20 minutes ago, bmags said: No, they had assets galore and kept waiting for AD. They obviously acquired Kyrie but could have been much more aggressive in adding multiple with all of the assets they have, now they got a bunch of guys. When you said "refused to sell out for a star" i actually thought you meant AD since the Celtics could have put together a better offer than the Lakers but they decided not to.
July 12, 20196 yr 20 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: When you said "refused to sell out for a star" i actually thought you meant AD since the Celtics could have put together a better offer than the Lakers but they decided not to. Probably a smart thing to do when the players agent says he isn't re-signing there
July 12, 20196 yr 4 minutes ago, Kyyle23 said: Probably a smart thing to do when the players agent says he isn't re-signing there After this year's title I'm not so sure.
July 12, 20196 yr Just now, Balta1701 said: After this year's title I'm not so sure. With how Kyrie acted, I could see Boston being a powder keg if they tried to run it back again with AD. And it didn't seem like Stevens was up to the task of keeping it together
July 12, 20196 yr 27 minutes ago, Kyyle23 said: With how Kyrie acted, I could see Boston being a powder keg if they tried to run it back again with AD. And it didn't seem like Stevens was up to the task of keeping it together That was definitely the problem but I think I still would have done it.
July 12, 20196 yr Just so I'm clear here.... In 2021 the Bulls can theoretically sign 2 max players while also holding on to Lavine, Lauri, White, and Carter....Correct? They can hypothetically sign 2 guys and then go over the cap to resign Lauri???
July 12, 20196 yr 31 minutes ago, scs787 said: Just so I'm clear here.... In 2021 the Bulls can theoretically sign 2 max players while also holding on to Lavine, Lauri, White, and Carter....Correct? They can hypothetically sign 2 guys and then go over the cap to resign Lauri??? As of now yes, but only barely and not 2 "10 year" guys. Their next 2 top 10 picks will also make that difficult. I'm not sure how it would work if they extended Lauri before the season started in 2020.
July 12, 20196 yr 3 hours ago, scs787 said: Just so I'm clear here.... In 2021 the Bulls can theoretically sign 2 max players while also holding on to Lavine, Lauri, White, and Carter....Correct? They can hypothetically sign 2 guys and then go over the cap to resign Lauri??? Most likely not. They’d need to extend Lauri to prevent him from hitting RFA, and that extension kicks in 21-22 Season. Even if they don’t extend Lauri (which could mean Lauri hadn’t shown them enough), Young and Sato has over $10M in partially guaranteed money on the books in 21-22, and factoring in another ~$10 mil in rookie contracts over the next 2 drafts takes them out of running for 2 max deals.
July 14, 20196 yr On 7/12/2019 at 11:57 AM, bmags said: Celts are an example of how refusing to sell out hurts. The knicks are not a good example, they literally traded away a star because they thought they'd ace FA. Only one team can win a championship, but the teams that now have two stars are a heck of a lot better shape to win one regardless of how many wins the indiana pacers will get next year. The Celtics example has been discussed, but the Knicks remain a good example. They did what you have to do in order to bring in major stars and they got burned, which is an occupational hazard of trying to build a superteam.
July 23, 20196 yr On 7/14/2019 at 9:19 AM, Jake said: The Celtics example has been discussed, but the Knicks remain a good example. They did what you have to do in order to bring in major stars and they got burned, which is an occupational hazard of trying to build a superteam. I didn't know that being supremely dysfunctional and having very little to no talent was "doing what you have to do." In that case, the Bulls sure are doing what they have to do also.
July 25, 20196 yr On 7/23/2019 at 1:48 AM, SleepyWhiteSox said: I didn't know that being supremely dysfunctional and having very little to no talent was "doing what you have to do." In that case, the Bulls sure are doing what they have to do also. Are they that much more dysfunctional than the Lakers?
July 25, 20196 yr https://www.nbcsports.com/chicago/bulls/jalen-rose-wouldnt-be-surprised-if-anthony-davis-ends-bulls
July 25, 20196 yr On 7/14/2019 at 9:19 AM, Jake said: The Celtics example has been discussed, but the Knicks remain a good example. They did what you have to do in order to bring in major stars and they got burned, which is an occupational hazard of trying to build a superteam. I feel like I lost a big post I replied to here. But the thing with the knicks was they star chased in a very silly way. THey did not have to trade Porzingis. And seeing how KD treated Washington for being so open in their chase for him should have given them pause. They could have held onto Porzingis held his RFA rights, and if they could get only get handshake agreements from KD if Kyrie also came, then perform a S&T to acquire the additional space. They left themselves way more vulnerable than necessary because Dolan.
July 25, 20196 yr 2 minutes ago, Jose Abreu said: https://www.nbcsports.com/chicago/bulls/jalen-rose-wouldnt-be-surprised-if-anthony-davis-ends-bulls This stuff is just mean to me personally.
July 25, 20196 yr 10 minutes ago, bmags said: This stuff is just mean to me personally. I am not ready to say it will happen, but build a good team with nice assets and flexibility and at least you have a chance. Odds are Davis & Bron crush it next year, but we don't know, Lebron truly could finally have age catch up to him and if that happened, all of a sudden, fans could get testy, etc, and things could go south fast. I wouldn't bet on this happening (as Lebron had his first long off-season in forever and should be coming in extremely fresh) but you just don't know. No one would have predicted what happened this past off-season a year ago. On a side note, I have seen some cap experts who have indicated Bulls could clear space (without Porter opting out) for a max contract. It would involve moving a lot of guys and probably surrounding a pick to dump Felicio, etc. But it is absolutely doable while maintaining Porter, Lavine, Mark, White.
July 25, 20196 yr Just now, Chisoxfn said: I am not ready to say it will happen, but build a good team with nice assets and flexibility and at least you have a chance. Odds are Davis & Bron crush it next year, but we don't know, Lebron truly could finally have age catch up to him and if that happened, all of a sudden, fans could get testy, etc, and things could go south fast. I wouldn't bet on this happening (as Lebron had his first long off-season in forever and should be coming in extremely fresh) but you just don't know. No one would have predicted what happened this past off-season a year ago. On a side note, I have seen some cap experts who have indicated Bulls could clear space (without Porter opting out) for a max contract. It would involve moving a lot of guys and probably surrounding a pick to dump Felicio, etc. But it is absolutely doable while maintaining Porter, Lavine, Mark, White. I swear to you, that if the lakers do not sign AD to an extension and lose him to the bulls in free agency I will do terribly public and humiliating things to myself.
July 25, 20196 yr 23 minutes ago, bmags said: I swear to you, that if the lakers do not sign AD to an extension and lose him to the bulls in free agency I will do terribly public and humiliating things to myself. And the key point is...I wouldn't bet on all of these things, but what the Bulls can control is building up a young team that can contend, while maintaining flexibility. Focus on that and continuing to get better (while maintaining flexibility) and be aggressive when the opportunity strikes. I fully believe that Pax can do the first part...it is the bolded part that will be interesting to see as I think we've always been a bit more gun shy (and to some extent with good reason as they are probably too cautious on the "maintain flexibility" since the fear is if you bet wrong where you go aggressive, you don't capitalize). I also think people don't recognize that you can't just will things happen.
July 25, 20196 yr One of the lessons of this offseason has been that you create your own opportunity through running a quality franchise (or by being lucky enough to be in the right city).
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