July 28, 20196 yr If Marco Gonzales was on the White Sox, he’d be Jose Quintana 2 and highly valued by Sox fans...at least a #2 starter.
July 28, 20196 yr 11 hours ago, Moan4Yoan said: Gonzalez is mediocre to bad. He’s a weak #5 pitcher whereas Alex Wood can be signed for just money and could be a #3 starter. Why not both? sox are going to need a caddy and insurance for all the young pitchers and Rodon/Kopech/Dunning coming back. I've had him in my off season plans for a while and the sox and mariners match up well, hes going to bring them back depth not elite prospects. Hes on pace for a 3+ fWAR year, id gladly take him as our #3-5, hes youngish and cost controlled sign me up. Mid-season 2020 line up DH - Abreu - FA 2 year + option with 7m buy out C - Collins* 1B - Vaughn 2B - Madrigal SS - Anderson 3B - Moncada# LF - Jimenez CF - Robert RF - Puig - FA 4 years + 2 options C - McCann IF - Sanchez# UT - Garcia# OF - Basabe# SP - Giolito SP - Lopez SP - Gonzales* SP - Cease SP - Kopech CL - Rodon* SU - Bummer* SU - Fry* MR - Herera MR - Marshall LO - Medeiros* LR - Wood* - FA 3 years with club option to land Gonzales likely a package of one of Dunning/Walker + Adolfo/Sheets + Burger/Hansen/Burdi
July 28, 20196 yr 3 hours ago, beautox said: to land Gonzales likely a package of one of Dunning/Walker + Adolfo/Sheets + Burger/Hansen/Burdi See, I would absolutely hate paying that price for Gonzalez. The more I’ve thought about it, the more I’d be ok with preemptively adding a guy like Marco (and adding a second starter this offseason), but it has to be at a favorable price. He may very well warrant such a cost, but if that’s the case just sign two starters this winter. Also, giving Puig a four year deal would be disastrous. He simply hasn’t been good enough to warrant such a contract and we need to find one way or the other to add a left-handed bat to the lineup.
July 28, 20196 yr Two thoughts - 1. Gonzalez is absolutely the kind of player the Sox should be targeting, with multiple years of control 2. Kinander has been wrong on everything, so that probably means this won't happen
July 28, 20196 yr This one I kind of like. He has 4 years of control after this year. You’re not buying a career year; but he’s not really having a “down” year considering he’s only had 1 good year in his career and this is his 2nd to best and it isn’t bad. He is low K, but has good control. Similar Fly Ball % as Q, but is up this year, which is a concern. Looks like a lefty #4, which they could use. Some concern about Safeco v. GRF. Shouldn’t cost anyone in the top 10. If you want a top of the rotation guy, either grow your own or get aggressive on the FA market.
July 28, 20196 yr 1 minute ago, GreenSox said: This one I kind of like. He has 4 years of control after this year. You’re not buying a career year; but he’s not really having a “down” year considering he’s only had 1 good year in his career and this is his 2nd to best and it isn’t bad. He is low K, but has good control. Similar Fly Ball % as Q, but is up this year, which is a concern. Looks like a lefty #4, which they could use. Some concern about Safeco v. GRF. Shouldn’t cost anyone in the top 10. If you want a top of the rotation guy, either grow your own or get aggressive on the FA market. Would you trade Rutherford for him?
July 28, 20196 yr 26 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: Would you trade Rutherford for him? Good question. Probably. He's young and I'd like to let him simmer, but you have to give to get.
July 28, 20196 yr 1 minute ago, GreenSox said: Good question. Probably. He's young and I'd like to let him simmer, but you have to give to get. It’s a price I’d be willing to be pay given the age, control, and current salary ($1M in 2020). We’d still need to add a TOR starter in the offseason, but would at least we’d enter the winter with more pitching depth than we have right now.
July 28, 20196 yr 1 hour ago, Chicago White Sox said: It’s a price I’d be willing to be pay given the age, control, and current salary ($1M in 2020). We’d still need to add a TOR starter in the offseason, but would at least we’d enter the winter with more pitching depth than we have right now. What happens if Lopez continues to pitch great down the stretch? Do you still think they add 2 SPs(from it's current state)? Adding Gonzalez puts them at Gio-Kopech-Gonzalez-Cease-Lopez going into next season.
July 28, 20196 yr 14 hours ago, Tony said: Almost seems like you’re looking forward to it...? Yah, cause he’s a Cubs fan. He may be a casual follower of the Sox, But also clearly a Cubs fan
July 28, 20196 yr 1 minute ago, scs787 said: What happens if Lopez continues to pitch great down the stretch? Do you still think they add 2 SPs(from it's current state)? Adding Gonzalez puts them at Gio-Kopech-Gonzalez-Cease-Lopez going into next season. Could always flip Gonzales in the off-season if you end up adding (for example) Cole. Having too many isn't a bad problem.
July 28, 20196 yr I still don’t particularly understand why we would give up any legitimate assets for starting pitching. There are plenty of good to interesting starting pitchers on the free-agent market in a couple months. Why give up assets when all we will need to give up in a couple months is money? If the price is minimal, sure. Otherwise, just fill our starting pitching needs via FA.
July 28, 20196 yr 2 minutes ago, soxfan2014 said: Could always flip Gonzales in the off-season if you end up adding (for example) Cole. Having too many isn't a bad problem. Why? They’re going to need all the pitching they can get...
July 28, 20196 yr 2 hours ago, GreenSox said: This one I kind of like. He has 4 years of control after this year. You’re not buying a career year; but he’s not really having a “down” year considering he’s only had 1 good year in his career and this is his 2nd to best and it isn’t bad. He is low K, but has good control. Similar Fly Ball % as Q, but is up this year, which is a concern. Looks like a lefty #4, which they could use. Some concern about Safeco v. GRF. Shouldn’t cost anyone in the top 10. If you want a top of the rotation guy, either grow your own or get aggressive on the FA market. https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/seattle-mariners/marco-gonzales-18161/ I missed the 2020 salary...$1 million, so exactly like trading for Quintana for the Cubs, pretty much.
July 28, 20196 yr 1 minute ago, caulfield12 said: Why? They’re going to need all the pitching they can get... I'm just saying they have options if it becomes an issue where they have too many. Honestly, in the above scenario, you would just have Kopech open in the minors probably.
July 28, 20196 yr 3 minutes ago, ChiSox59 said: I still don’t particularly understand why we would give up any legitimate assets for starting pitching. There are plenty of good to interesting starting pitchers on the free-agent market in a couple months. Why give up assets when all we will need to give up in a couple months is money? If the price is minimal, sure. Otherwise, just fill our starting pitching needs via FA. This. Sign Cole and a guy like Alex Wood, keep the prospects, and call it a day. The Sox have so much financial flexibility moving forward. There is no reason not to use it.
July 28, 20196 yr 1 minute ago, caulfield12 said: Why? They’re going to need all the pitching they can get... You putting Lopez or Gonzalez in the pen? I'd be looking into adding someone like Dane Dunning(to go with Dane Dunning) that has upside but you can still stash in the minors in case of injury.
July 28, 20196 yr 14 minutes ago, scs787 said: What happens if Lopez continues to pitch great down the stretch? Do you still think they add 2 SPs(from it's current state)? Adding Gonzalez puts them at Gio-Kopech-Gonzalez-Cease-Lopez going into next season. I think they would. Gonzalez provides depth, but we still need a guy at the top to help take some pressure of the young guys. If that forces Lopez to the bullpen or Kopech to AAA, that’s a good problem to have.
July 28, 20196 yr 2 minutes ago, ChiSox59 said: I still don’t particularly understand why we would give up any legitimate assets for starting pitching. There are plenty of good to interesting starting pitchers on the free-agent market in a couple months. Why give up assets when all we will need to give up in a couple months is money? If the price is minimal, sure. Otherwise, just fill our starting pitching needs via FA. After you get past Gerrit Cole, there’s certainly a next tier of guys like Bumgarner, Hamels, Wheeler, Ryu (see health history), maybe Strasburg, Odorizzi (he’s been fading recently). That’s something like 6-7 pitchers Sox (most/some) fans would be happy to get. But that’s also true for every team in baseball. Gonzales would be in that next group along with the likes of Alex Wood (has missed entire season, will struggle to get past 150-160 innings next year after missing 4 months), Michael Wacha, Kyle Gibson, Porcello, Chacin, Fiers, etc. They could all be Ivan Novas in waiting, none are guaranteed to work out. Getting Gonzales for a reasonable price locks in a guaranteed #3/4 starter...then you can really set your sights on the top of the leaderboard.
July 28, 20196 yr 13 minutes ago, YouCanPutItOnTheBoardYES! said: This. Sign Cole and a guy like Alex Wood, keep the prospects, and call it a day. The Sox have so much financial flexibility moving forward. There is no reason not to use it. Adding Gonzalez allows you to allocate your financial resources elsewhere. Marco’s salary next year is $1M and Wood should command $10M+. It all just depends on the price TBH. I would not give up more than a Rutherford caliber prospect for him.
July 28, 20196 yr 7 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: I think they would. Gonzalez provides depth, but we still need a guy at the top to help take some pressure of the young guys. If that forces Lopez to the bullpen or Kopech to AAA, that’s a good problem to have. Ask the Cubs if they though Hendricks and Hamel were going to get hurt...they couldn’t even be sure Darvish would not be a basket case. Having Chatwood and Montgomery to work out of the bullpen has mostly worked out (albeit overpaid). They’re currently using a minor leaguer/placeholder and they tried Alzolay as well. Even the 2005 White Sox desperately needed a fresh Brandon McCarthy down the stretch.
July 28, 20196 yr 2 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: Ask the Cubs if they though Hendricks and Hamel were going to get hurt...they couldn’t even be sure Darvish would not be a basket case. Having Chatwood and Montgomery to work out of the bullpen has mostly worked out (albeit overpaid). They’re currently using a minor leaguer/placeholder and they tried Alzolay as well. Even the 2005 White Sox desperately needed a fresh Brandon McCarthy down the stretch. 100% agree. And when you’re counting on two young guys in Cease & Kopech to be key parts of a contending rotation, it’s even more important to have depth behind them.
July 28, 20196 yr 4 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: 100% agree. And when you’re counting on two young guys in Cease & Kopech to be key parts of a contending rotation, it’s even more important to have depth behind them. Yep. There should still be growing pains with the young guys.
July 28, 20196 yr 32 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: Adding Gonzalez allows you to allocate your financial resources elsewhere. Marco’s salary next year is $1M and Wood should command $10M+. It all just depends on the price TBH. I would not give up more than a Rutherford caliber prospect for him. I mean, trading for Gonzales makes sense if the cost isn't ridiculously high, but I can't imagine that he will come cheap. Like you said, it depends on the price I guess.
July 28, 20196 yr 1 minute ago, YouCanPutItOnTheBoardYES! said: I mean, trading for Gonzales makes sense if the cost isn't ridiculously high, but I can't imagine that he will come cheap. Like you said, it depends on the price I guess. That’s the question. He’s definitely not a guy you overpay for when sitting on lots of cash. But there is a price point where he makes sense adding right now.
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