steveno89 Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 I shudder to think what this board will do if Keuchel is our marquee free agent acquired outside of Grandal. There's a decent chance it becomes a reality. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtySox Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 Still would be a noticeable upgrade to what was trotted out last season, 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 Just now, DirtySox said: Still would be a noticeable upgrade to what was trotted out last season, Not really. Lopez was a better pitcher by fWAR in 2019. Think about that for a minute. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 I believe he will be signed to man our #4 spot in the rotation. Biggest acquisition outside of Grandal now looks to be via the trade market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 Just now, Jack Parkman said: Not really. Lopez was a better pitcher by fWAR in 2019. Think about that for a minute. I don't want Keuchel. But this is silly way to look at it. WAR is a counting stat. Kuechel sat out half the season. 1 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveno89 Posted December 9, 2019 Author Share Posted December 9, 2019 Just now, Jack Parkman said: Not really. Lopez was a better pitcher by fWAR in 2019. Think about that for a minute. We can all hope for better, but the way this market might quickly shape up should concern Sox fans. Missing on Wheeler was a big blow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 Just now, Jack Parkman said: Not really. Lopez was a better pitcher by fWAR in 2019. Think about that for a minute. Think about Covey, Despagine, and all the other garbage that we threw out last year. Keuchel isn’t a replacement for Lopez. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtySox Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 1 minute ago, Jack Parkman said: Not really. Lopez was a better pitcher by fWAR in 2019. Think about that for a minute. You realize he sat out half the year right? 112 IP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 Just now, ChiSox59 said: I don't want Keuchel. But this is silly way to look at it. WAR is a counting stat. Kuechel sat out half the season. It is, but Keuchel was worth 0.8 fWAR in 112 2/3 IP. If you extrapolate that to 190 IP, it comes out to 1.3 fWAR. Still worse than Lopez's 2.1. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 Keuchel on a market rate deal is okay with me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 1 minute ago, DirtySox said: You realize he sat out half the year right? 112 IP. Yes, I did some quick extrapolation math. over 190 IP, Keuchel would have been worth 1.3 fWAR, which is still far less than Lopez's 2.1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bschmaranz Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 Just now, Soxbadger said: Keuchel on a market rate deal is okay with me. Yup, perfectly acceptable addition if the terms aren't nutty bananas. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 1 minute ago, Soxbadger said: Keuchel on a market rate deal is okay with me. I mean....in this market, what is a market rate deal for him? We need a good SP. Keuchel would be a fine 2nd SP addition, but we don't really need 2 SP on multiyear deals. We need one a multiyear deal and one on a 1 year deal. Kuechel for 3/$45M is whatever, but if that's you best SP addition, we're basically punting 2020. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveno89 Posted December 9, 2019 Author Share Posted December 9, 2019 (edited) 8 minutes ago, hi8is said: I believe he will be signed to man our #4 spot in the rotation. Biggest acquisition outside of Grandal now looks to be via the trade market. What quality starting pitcher is even available via trade right now? That is a genuine question. I scoured fangraphs and am not seeing any obvious fit. Jon Gray possibly? Edited December 9, 2019 by steveno89 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sir Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 I was in the Keuchel boat even when Wheeler was available. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 (edited) 1 minute ago, steveno89 said: What quality starting pitcher is even available via trade right now? That is a genuine question. I scoured fangraphs and am not seeing any obvious fit. That's the issue. They can get pitchers just as good as Keuchel in the bargain bin. Keuchel is a signing a dumb organization makes. Edited December 9, 2019 by Jack Parkman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 Just now, steveno89 said: What quality starting pitcher is even available via trade right now? That is a genuine question. I scoured fangraphs and am not seeing any obvious fit. I’m not either and can’t speculate but I trust @raBBit and have been surprised by this teams ability to pry away starting pitching from the trade market before. Not surprisingly, the last times were a year prior to and a year after winning the World Series. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 12 minutes ago, steveno89 said: I shudder to think what this board will do if Keuchel is our marquee free agent acquired outside of Grandal. There's a decent chance it becomes a reality. I would be very happy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchetman Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 Well right now we only have 3 starters so he looks like a pretty good option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxBlanco Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 4 minutes ago, ChiSox59 said: I mean....in this market, what is a market rate deal for him? We need a good SP. Keuchel would be a fine 2nd SP addition, but we don't really need 2 SP on multiyear deals. We need one a multiyear deal and one on a 1 year deal. Kuechel for 3/$45M is whatever, but if that's you best SP addition, we're basically punting 2020. If we include Cease in a package for a SP, then all of a sudden Keuchel on a multiyear deal as our second best starting pitcher acquisition isn't so bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveno89 Posted December 9, 2019 Author Share Posted December 9, 2019 1 minute ago, hi8is said: I’m not either and can’t speculate but I trust @raBBit and have been surprised by this teams ability to pry away starting pitching from the trade market before. Not surprisingly, the last times were a year prior to and a year after winning the World Series. ? https://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=pit&lg=all&qual=80&type=8&season=2019&month=0&season1=2019&ind=0&team=&rost=&age=&filter=&players=&startdate=&enddate=&page=1_30 Look at the first two pages of this list and who jumps out as being available? Contenders surely would not trade a quality starter for prospects. Jon Gray's two seasons of control might be available? Beyond that who? Marco Gonzales? Joe Musgrove? Matthew Boyd? Jon Means? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 Just now, steveno89 said: https://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=pit&lg=all&qual=80&type=8&season=2019&month=0&season1=2019&ind=0&team=&rost=&age=&filter=&players=&startdate=&enddate=&page=1_30 Look at the first two pages of this list and who jumps out as being available? Contenders surely would not trade a quality starter for prospects. Jon Gray's two seasons of control might be available? Beyond that who? Marco Gonzales? Joe Musgrove? Matthew Boyd? Jon Means? I’ve been asking the same question all week and do not have an answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BackDoorBreach Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 Keuchel is gross. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxbrad Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 8 minutes ago, The Sir said: I was in the Keuchel boat even when Wheeler was available. I am with you, I would love to get him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirmin' for Yermin Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 17 minutes ago, steveno89 said: I shudder to think what this board will do if Keuchel is our marquee free agent acquired outside of Grandal. There's a decent chance it becomes a reality. would have made it a failed offseason IMO.. This offseason was setup perfectly for our needs. TOR starters, TOP catcher, and some good DH options (we chose Abreu on long term) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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