12 hours ago, Chisoxfn said:

No - you know nothing. You are jumping to conclusions on his health from random tweets etc. maybe he is on a death bed - I don’t know - but more likely he isn’t and the drs are being super cautious and overly careful because this is a serious virus and he is well the president. 
 

Let’s be clear - Do you know for a fact that the president is not mentally capable of making decisions (ok any more mentally incapable than he usually is)? 

We know he's been given a course of strong steroidal treatments that have a known side effect of serious cognitive impairment, we know his oxygen levels dropped to 80's at least twice which is where things get pretty foggy mentally, and we know that he's limited in who he can directly see and where he can go because he has a deadly contagious disease. We know he was heading pretty quickly in the wrong direction as of Friday, and we know that this disease can get really, really bad in a matter of hours.

That's all information slowly pried out of his doctors rather than random tweets.

It seems to me that it would have been prudent and responsible to temporarily transfer powers and authority to Vice President Pence until he turned the corner, which he has maybe done at this point. Luckily nothing happened, but it would have been absolute chaos if something catastrophic had happened while he was in the condition his doctors reported him to be in on Friday and at least some of Saturday.

 

 

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Now for some good news!

 

https://www.jnj.com/johnson-johnson-initiates-pivotal-global-phase-3-clinical-trial-of-janssens-covid-19-vaccine-candidate

 

Johnson & Johnson recently published some of their Phase 1/2 vaccine trial results, and so far so good. There were no serious health and safety concerns that arose from the ~1000 person trial, just the typical mild fever and soreness at the injection site we get with flu shots etc. The big upside for this vaccine candidate is that it's a single-dose vaccine. All of the other leading candidates will require at least one booster shot. That's more logistical headaches and a bottleneck on how many people we can vaccinate and how quickly--if we can pump out 100M doses by next summer of Moderna but each person requires two shots, that's only 50M vaccinated.

 

J&J is starting a 60k person Phase 3 trial in multiple countries now. 

7 minutes ago, StrangeSox said:

Now for some good news!

 

https://www.jnj.com/johnson-johnson-initiates-pivotal-global-phase-3-clinical-trial-of-janssens-covid-19-vaccine-candidate

 

Johnson & Johnson recently published some of their Phase 1/2 vaccine trial results, and so far so good. There were no serious health and safety concerns that arose from the ~1000 person trial, just the typical mild fever and soreness at the injection site we get with flu shots etc. The big upside for this vaccine candidate is that it's a single-dose vaccine. All of the other leading candidates will require at least one booster shot. That's more logistical headaches and a bottleneck on how many people we can vaccinate and how quickly--if we can pump out 100M doses by next summer of Moderna but each person requires two shots, that's only 50M vaccinated.

 

J&J is starting a 60k person Phase 3 trial in multiple countries now. 

The problem now with the vaccines is how few will actually take them. Between anti-vaccers and those who do not trust the government approval system, to get half of the population vaccinated is going to be pretty tough.

1 hour ago, Texsox said:

I gotta step in these cow patties a defend the little feller G7 here. He's a true 'merican Patriot who believes his government officials and reports what they say. If we call him out as racist aren't we calling out so many of our leaders as racist as well?  

Will we be banning people for referring to the 1918 pandemic as the Spanish Flu?

Chris Christy can check into the hospital as a precautionary measure. My wife, fully insured, with asthma, doesn’t have Covid but has the “beginnings” of pneumonia, needs a CT scan of her lungs. They have an opening on October 28th.

5 minutes ago, Dick Allen said:

The problem now with the vaccines is how few will actually take them. Between anti-vaccers and those who do not trust the government approval system, to get half of the population vaccinated is going to be pretty tough.

I continue to think the problem is people are only responding to a generic "vaccine". It's a hypothetical. If J&J comes out with it and its available in march of next year, the data looks good and gets a lot of buy-in, you will see survey results change. If some vaccine comes "out" before november, people are going to be skeptical of the data.

26 minutes ago, StrangeSox said:

Maybe a lot of this is talking past each other.

 

Some of the irresponsible people are the political leaders who are doing things like opening up bars and restaurants for indoor dining and encouraging other high-risk activities such as that. Without responsible rules in place, which unfortunately include closing a whole lot of places down until things are at a controllable level, personal responsibility doesn't really start factoring in. Because you can be "responsibly" just doing the things all sorts of leaders and officials are telling you are good and safe, like going to bars, opening up schools, etc., and be contributing to the spread.

 

So ultimately, I am looking to the public policy leaders to be officially/publicly responsible here. Because without strong state and national leadership and the willingness to make the tough calls and put in the strict rules, we don't have a chance. Step 1 is putting the responsible rules in place so we stop killing people. Step 2 is the personal, individual responsibility in following those rules we need.

We did an okay job at Step 1 in a lot of places, though not all, early on. Since May in many areas and June in most others, we've seriously failed and we're heading down the wrong road at a steady pace. Without that Step 1, Step 2 doesn't really matter.

How about we put it this way.  Think of all of the different laws we have.  Almost all of them would not be required if people could handle a basic set of ideals.  But they couldn't so a law and punishment was written to stop them from happening.  Should people be responsible enough to go out and have a drink or two without getting too drunk to be able to drive?  Sure.  Could alcohol serving establishments sell a lot more drinks if they didn't have to worry about over-serving people who drove home?  Where is the personal responsibility on both sides, right?  People were dying in large numbers because people were to irresponsible to not kill each other.  But neither people, nor bars, could handle that, so hence the laws surrounding DUI.   It is the same thing here, except in much larger numbers.  The incentive is to put people into dangerous situations for establishments, and for people to think they can handle this and not endanger people while going out in public.  But 200,000 + dead people is a great statement that both parties are wrong, and that the government should step in to minimize social damage.  We do this all of the time in the US on a much smaller scale.

9 minutes ago, Yearnin' for Yermin said:

Will we be banning people for referring to the 1918 pandemic as the Spanish Flu?

The irony of course is that the "Spanish" flu began on a military base in (wait for it)

Kansas.

9 minutes ago, Dick Allen said:

Chris Christy can check into the hospital as a precautionary measure. My wife, fully insured, with asthma, doesn’t have Covid but has the “beginnings” of pneumonia, needs a CT scan of her lungs. They have an opening on October 28th.

This is why Republicans in power don't care about changing the healthcare system in this country.  The rich and powerful get unreal care and access to healthcare that is the best in the world.  They don't give a damn if the average person doesn't have access or gets lousy care.

1 minute ago, whitesoxfan99 said:

This is why Republicans in power don't care about changing the healthcare system in this country.  The rich and powerful get unreal care and access to healthcare that is the best in the world.  They don't give a damn if the average person doesn't have access or gets lousy care.

Especially considering what the typical veteran goes through to get into a VA facility.  The military people in this country should be outraged.

A Fox and Friends host posted a picture of himself wearing a mask in a Walmart where masks are mandatory. He was getting blasted in the comments section for wearing a mask. So much so, he had to disable it. 
 

More proof leaving it up to the people is a bad idea.

The people it turns out have a very strange and persistent view of masks as a political issue. In this case it is self-destructive. If you cannot see the virus it is not real.

 

Something to keep in mind regarding negative tests after an exposure is that incubation to the point of detectability usually occurs during the first week but can take as long as 14 days. A negative test on Day 3 or Day 7 doesn't mean you're in the clear. And of course it's zero protection against subsequent exposures.

 

e: illustrative

 

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20 minutes ago, pcq said:

The people it turns out have a very strange and persistent view of masks as a political issue. In this case it is self-destructive. If you cannot see the virus it is not real.

And we know who made it a political issue. Like wearing a mask was taking your rights away. The WH press secretary is trying to make herself innocent, but she briefed the press yesterday not wearing a mask. So irresponsible. It is time someone is held accountable.

Edited October 5, 20205 yr by Dick Allen

15 minutes ago, StrangeSox said:

 

Something to keep in mind regarding negative tests after an exposure is that incubation to the point of detectability usually occurs during the first week but can take as long as 14 days. A negative test on Day 3 or Day 7 doesn't mean you're in the clear. And of course it's zero protection against subsequent exposures.

 

e: illustrative

 

She could have easily been sitting next to one of us at a restaurant fully negligent, KNOWING that she had been exposed six ways to Sunday, with absolutely zero recourse if you die.

Kinda tells you why they're pushing so hard for legal immunity for businesses. That way every company can be as reckless and incompetent as this White House has been in handling this but not be held accountable when they end up killing people.

 

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e2: really hammer that point home, idiots

 

Edited October 5, 20205 yr by StrangeSox

I wonder how Kayleigh spins this. She famously told everyone Donald Trump unlike the awful Barrack Obama, wouldn’t let the Coronavirus into the US. Now not only did it come in, but he may have actually given it to her.

2 hours ago, Dick Allen said:

A Fox and Friends host posted a picture of himself wearing a mask in a Walmart where masks are mandatory. He was getting blasted in the comments section for wearing a mask. So much so, he had to disable it. 
 

More proof leaving it up to the people is a bad idea.

I was just coming here to post this.

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/fox-friends-host-steve-doocy-015805041.html

 

I mean shouting "personal responsibility"  over and over again is great but people are fucking morons.

This is going to keep spreading in the WH if someone doesn't put the breaks on and try and get it contained. Obviously WFH is not an option for many security reasons for some employees but you'd think 8 months in they'd have created some quarantine area with a bunch of SCIFs*

*of course this didn't happen

9 minutes ago, bmags said:

This is going to keep spreading in the WH if someone doesn't put the breaks on and try and get it contained. Obviously WFH is not an option for many security reasons for some employees but you'd think 8 months in they'd have created some quarantine area with a bunch of SCIFs*

*of course this didn't happen

 

I guess my only surprise at this point is that it took until October for this to happen.

 

e: will always post relevant simpsons memes

Edited October 5, 20205 yr by StrangeSox

I hope that VP Pence is staying far away from the WH and trump campaign.

So far, the only member of Trumps debate prep team that hasn’t tested positive is Rudy Giuliani.

Funny all that pseudo behavioral psychology crap about how masks would make people feel invincible and be more likely to get sick because they'd be more careless was so popular, but it turns out daily testing is the real culprit for those lucky enough to get it and irresponsible enough to think it's a cure-all.

The rapid tests especially were known to be more prone to false negatives so the fact that a stricter protocol was not in place for contact tracing and isolating such crucial personnel is VERY bad. Very very bad.

26 minutes ago, bmags said:

I hope that VP Pence is staying far away from the WH and trump campaign.

Man, the Trump administration could decapitate its own government through its own negligence.  How ironic would it be for Nancy Pelosi to take over because this administration was too stupid to take basic precautions.

4 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

Man, the Trump administration could decapitate its own government through its own negligence.  How ironic would it be for Nancy Pelosi to take over because this administration was too stupid to take basic precautions.

Which brings the question, How can you expect them to protect the country when they  cannot even protect themselves?