March 19, 20206 yr 35 minutes ago, SoxAce said: Was only a matter of time... It basically is for anyone with plus velocity.
March 19, 20206 yr Honestly with half of the season probably gone already, it makes sense to punt on this season if you are questionable.
March 19, 20206 yr 27 minutes ago, turnin' two said: It basically is for anyone with plus velocity. Red Sox had him throw way too many sliders. That was the issue. Don Cooper knew this too and said as much even when Sale was here.
March 19, 20206 yr Shocking news. He might better help them next year. Might have a couple years more left in that elbow.
March 19, 20206 yr 1 hour ago, joesaiditstrue said: Best time to do it. If they had insider info like the Senate Intelligence Chief they coulda done this a month ago.
March 20, 20206 yr 15 hours ago, SoxAce said: Red Sox had him throw way too many sliders. That was the issue. Don Cooper knew this too and said as much even when Sale was here. UCL reconstruction is more correlated with the increase in consistent velocity. There were articles last year detailing that in the middle of last season he was throwing with the highest velocity of his career. Cooper also knew this and they kept him under more control here.
March 20, 20206 yr 5 minutes ago, ptatc said: UCL reconstruction is more correlated with the increase in consistent velocity. There were articles last year detailing that in the middle of last season he was throwing with the highest velocity of his career. Cooper also knew this and they kept him under more control here. Chris Sale average velocity each year. 2010 - 96.9 (reliever/Sox) 2011 - 96.0 (reliever) 2012 - 94.3 (starter) 2013 - 93.9 (starter) 2014 - 94.6 (starter) 2015 - 95.7 (starter) 2016 - 93.7 (starter) 2017 - 94.7 (starter/Boston) 2018 - 95.2 (starter) 2019 - 93.4 (starter) Definitely dipped the last couple of years. Then when you look at how many sliders he's thrown.. Sox (2010-16) 4,289 Sawks (2017-19) 2,946 In 3 years and I believe that's not even counting the post season... Just insane.
March 20, 20206 yr 1 hour ago, SoxAce said: Chris Sale average velocity each year. 2010 - 96.9 (reliever/Sox) 2011 - 96.0 (reliever) 2012 - 94.3 (starter) 2013 - 93.9 (starter) 2014 - 94.6 (starter) 2015 - 95.7 (starter) 2016 - 93.7 (starter) 2017 - 94.7 (starter/Boston) 2018 - 95.2 (starter) 2019 - 93.4 (starter) Definitely dipped the last couple of years. Then when you look at how many sliders he's thrown.. Sox (2010-16) 4,289 Sawks (2017-19) 2,946 In 3 years and I believe that's not even counting the post season... Just insane. That is the average for the whole year. If you go back and read articles about last season, they will say that they ramped him up slowly last year but had his highest velocity of his career through the middle months of the year. with the consistent velocity that pitchers are trying to throw over the last few years, UCL reconstructions are correlated more with the excessive tensile stress on the ligament due to the effort moreso than pure mechanics of offspeed pitches like the slider as was the primary issue from the 80s into the 90s. Edited March 20, 20206 yr by ptatc
March 20, 20206 yr 1 hour ago, ptatc said: That is the average for the whole year. If you go back and read articles about last season, they will say that they ramped him up slowly last year but had his highest velocity of his career through the middle months of the year. with the consistent velocity that pitchers are trying to throw over the last few years, UCL reconstructions are correlated more with the excessive tensile stress on the ligament due to the effort moreso than pure mechanics of offspeed pitches like the slider as was the primary issue from the 80s into the 90s. Well they did a pretty crappy job of doing anything like that in 2019. 2018, ok maybe pre shoulder injury. 2019? Nah.
March 20, 20206 yr 47 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: Well they did a pretty crappy job of doing anything like that in 2019. 2018, ok maybe pre shoulder injury. 2019? Nah. Looks like it. Maybe they were referencing 2018 and I missed it.
March 20, 20206 yr 3 hours ago, Balta1701 said: Well they did a pretty crappy job of doing anything like that in 2019. 2018, ok maybe pre shoulder injury. 2019? Nah. Thank you.
March 21, 20206 yr 11 hours ago, SoxAce said: Chris Sale average velocity each year. 2010 - 96.9 (reliever/Sox) 2011 - 96.0 (reliever) 2012 - 94.3 (starter) 2013 - 93.9 (starter) 2014 - 94.6 (starter) 2015 - 95.7 (starter) 2016 - 93.7 (starter) 2017 - 94.7 (starter/Boston) 2018 - 95.2 (starter) 2019 - 93.4 (starter) Definitely dipped the last couple of years. Then when you look at how many sliders he's thrown.. Sox (2010-16) 4,289 Sawks (2017-19) 2,946 In 3 years and I believe that's not even counting the post season... Just insane. Pretty interesting that every year he averages over 95, the next year his average drops into the 93 range. So he peaks one year and drops off precipitously the next. Not coincidentally peak average 2018, poor performance and injury 2019. Edited March 21, 20206 yr by ptatc
March 21, 20206 yr I'd say we sold high on him, I wish him good luck, like someone said it was inevitable. In light of Kopechs surgery and I certainly dont wish this on him, is this whats called poetic justice??
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