StrangeSox Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 A whole lot of GOP elected officials really, really don't care for democracy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NWINFan Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 23 minutes ago, StrangeSox said: A whole lot of GOP elected officials really, really don't care for democracy. No, they have little use for democracy, and this is going beyond the absurd stage. But many Republicans fear if they don't back Trump all the way, they will pay for it politically, mostly in the primaries. They know how vindictive he is. You must do everything he demands or you're toast. Just ask Jeff Sessions and so many others. The Trump Administration should be assisting in the transition as per the law, but when has Trump paid attention to legalities? During his own transition, the Obama people prepared briefing books, and waited for Trump people to arrange and attend meetings. The meetings never happened and the books were never looked at. Transition? What transition? In this case, the transition process is even more important since it will be up to the Biden Administration to oversee the vaccine distribution. Words cannot describe how irresponsible this is. But the Republicans will tell you how patriotic they are. You can tell by the flag pins on their lapels. Regardless, you'd think that Republicans would get sick of kissing Trump's ring. Maybe they think the degradation is worth it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 (edited) 13 minutes ago, NWINFan said: No, they have little use for democracy, and this is going beyond the absurd stage. But many Republicans fear if they don't back Trump all the way, they will pay for it politically, mostly in the primaries. They know how vindictive he is. You must do everything he demands or you're toast. Just ask Jeff Sessions and so many others. The Trump Administration should be assisting in the transition as per the law, but when has Trump paid attention to legalities? During his own transition, the Obama people prepared briefing books, and waited for Trump people to arrange and attend meetings. The meetings never happened and the books were never looked at. Transition? What transition? In this case, the transition process is even more important since it will be up to the Biden Administration to oversee the vaccine distribution. Words cannot describe how irresponsible this is. But the Republicans will tell you how patriotic they are. You can tell by the flag pins on their lapels. Regardless, you'd think that Republicans would get sick of kissing Trump's ring. Maybe they think the degradation is worth it. ! is amazing how many republicans are afraid of Trump. Simply amazing. The scary part about this is even though it will fail, Putin is licking his jobs. He'll find another Trump, only the next one will be bright, the next one will be more likeable, the next one won't be stuck on himself, the next one will be able to fake empathy, and wallah! Democracy will be defeated. I guess the republicans stop reading after the 2nd amendment. They should take a look at the 24th and tell us what is wrong with it. This is wasteful spending. The citizens of these states should be irate, especially if they are true republicans. This is the real fraud. Edited December 9, 2020 by Dick Allen 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 They're not afraid of him. They're afraid of the base that supports him and elects them. This is what the modern GOP is. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 5 minutes ago, StrangeSox said: They're not afraid of him. They're afraid of the base that supports him and elects them. This is what the modern GOP is. Trump just has to concede say the election was fair and he lost, and his base would be disarmed. They passed a note for support of this BS today to GOP members in Congress asking them to sign it and told them Trump will be checking who signed it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NWINFan Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 5 minutes ago, StrangeSox said: They're not afraid of him. They're afraid of the base that supports him and elects them. This is what the modern GOP is. You're right to an extent,, but someone has to be the symbol of that base. Trump is not going away after January 20, and he will use his bully pulpit to get even. I agree with you that the GOP has been hijacked by this nonsense. Sadly, it has worked to a degree with them gaining House seats and the likelihood of holding onto the Senate. They are paying a big price for short-term political gains. The country will suffer for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 9 minutes ago, StrangeSox said: They're not afraid of him. They're afraid of the base that supports him and elects them. This is what the modern GOP is. You are looking at this the wrong way. They aren't afraid of Trump. They are terrified of what Harris will do with any amount of power. Listen to some of the conservative shows occasionally. It's eye opening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 6 minutes ago, ptatc said: You are looking at this the wrong way. They aren't afraid of Trump. They are terrified of what Harris will do with any amount of power. Listen to some of the conservative shows occasionally. It's eye opening. Will Harris work hard to completely undermine our electoral democracy? I don't care about rightwing fever dreams about what Harris would do. I care about what right wing elected officials are actually doing, right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 1 minute ago, StrangeSox said: Will Harris work hard to completely undermine our electoral democracy? I don't care about rightwing fever dreams about what Harris would do. I care about what right wing elected officials are actually doing, right now. you may care but thats not what many of the conservative shows are stating. This is why they are fighting it because of Harris not an allegiance to Trump. Most of them understand he is done. they are focusing more on the gains that were made in the house and how to capitalize on that in the next elections. The liberal shows focus far too much on Trump and not the overall party. I'm starting to think the GOP is doing this to distract the Democratic party from focusing on the next elections. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcq Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 15 minutes ago, StrangeSox said: Will Harris work hard to completely undermine our electoral democracy? I don't care about rightwing fever dreams about what Harris would do. I care about what right wing elected officials are actually doing, right now. Because the root of the whole problem started with Obama and they are crazy with fear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 19 minutes ago, ptatc said: you may care but thats not what many of the conservative shows are stating. This is why they are fighting it because of Harris not an allegiance to Trump. Most of them understand he is done. they are focusing more on the gains that were made in the house and how to capitalize on that in the next elections. The liberal shows focus far too much on Trump and not the overall party. I'm starting to think the GOP is doing this to distract the Democratic party from focusing on the next elections. Right-wing elected officials including 18 Attorneys General are filing absurd lawsuits directly to SCOTUS to throw out the results of the election and install Trump. That is what the modern GOP is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 3 minutes ago, StrangeSox said: Right-wing elected officials including 18 Attorneys General are filing absurd lawsuits directly to SCOTUS to throw out the results of the election and install Trump. That is what the modern GOP is. If you really think its that simple you need to look deeper. These are politicians with many different agendas. Like I said I'm starting to think its all a distraction so the GOP can get further head for the next election cycle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, ptatc said: If you really think its that simple you need to look deeper. These are politicians with many different agendas. Like I said I'm starting to think its all a distraction so the GOP can get further head for the next election cycle. So at best, they're cynically trying to destroy our democracy for future power gains. Okay. That's still where we're at with the modern GOP. It's not just Trump. Because as far as these legal efforts are, it really is that simple. If this Texas lawsuit, now joined by over a dozen Republican AG's, is successful, it will mean that they have destroyed American democracy and installed an unelected autocrat. That's the stakes of the legal claims they are trying to make. If they are doing so cynically knowing that they're garbage lawsuits, it still tells you a whole hell of a lot about who they are and how committed they are to democracy. Edited December 9, 2020 by StrangeSox 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 21 minutes ago, ptatc said: If you really think its that simple you need to look deeper. These are politicians with many different agendas. Like I said I'm starting to think its all a distraction so the GOP can get further head for the next election cycle. The strategy is to undermine elections to set the precedent of throwing out votes from areas that dont support their party. Who is it even distracting? If anything it is setting a terrible precedent that in the future CA, NY, IL can sue Texas to try and throw their votes out. The only reason this is happening is because RBG passed away and they believe that there is a slim chance that 5 SC judges will completely destroy the US constitution. If RBG was there they wouldnt have bothered because there is no way Roberts would entertain any of this. What is happening right now is one of the lowest points in US constitutional history and it should be called out for what it is. The party of "states rights" is trying to use the SC to destroy the voice of other states. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 Ptatc, If you want a truthful perspective, here is the AG from Maryland: The end goal here is to destroy democracy for totalitarianism. This isnt Democrat v Republican, this is totalitarianism v republicanism. The party of states rights is dead, they want a dictator. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 Sean Hannity and Rudy Giuliani have both been wearing Trumps orange make up the last couple of weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 1 minute ago, Dick Allen said: Sean Hannity and Rudy Giuliani have both been wearing Trumps orange make up the last couple of weeks. Next up, Trump orange Jumpsuits. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 1 hour ago, Soxbadger said: The strategy is to undermine elections to set the precedent of throwing out votes from areas that dont support their party. Who is it even distracting? If anything it is setting a terrible precedent that in the future CA, NY, IL can sue Texas to try and throw their votes out. The only reason this is happening is because RBG passed away and they believe that there is a slim chance that 5 SC judges will completely destroy the US constitution. If RBG was there they wouldnt have bothered because there is no way Roberts would entertain any of this. What is happening right now is one of the lowest points in US constitutional history and it should be called out for what it is. The party of "states rights" is trying to use the SC to destroy the voice of other states. I think it is distracting anyone who is focusing on the lawsuits instead of the next elections. I don't think anyone actually thinks that the lawsuits will amount to anything. If the GOP gets the democrats to continue to focus on the lawsuits it will hurt them in the long-term. I base this on listening to conservative vs. Liberal shows on xm. It may be wrong but the liberal shows focus on the current lawsuits whereas the conservative ones have moved on to the next elections. The fact that they increased their seats in the house really have them thinking its Trump people don't like not conservative ideology. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 43 minutes ago, Soxbadger said: Ptatc, If you want a truthful perspective, here is the AG from Maryland: The end goal here is to destroy democracy for totalitarianism. This isnt Democrat v Republican, this is totalitarianism v republicanism. The party of states rights is dead, they want a dictator. I agree with everything said. I just disagree with the motivation. I disagree with your stated end goal as most people realize the lawsuits will go nowhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Beast Posted December 10, 2020 Share Posted December 10, 2020 1 hour ago, ptatc said: I think it is distracting anyone who is focusing on the lawsuits instead of the next elections. I don't think anyone actually thinks that the lawsuits will amount to anything. If the GOP gets the democrats to continue to focus on the lawsuits it will hurt them in the long-term. I base this on listening to conservative vs. Liberal shows on xm. It may be wrong but the liberal shows focus on the current lawsuits whereas the conservative ones have moved on to the next elections. The fact that they increased their seats in the house really have them thinking its Trump people don't like not conservative ideology. The conservative show I listen to, Hugh Hewitt’s “The Rundown,” is focused on the Georgia elections and he is saying that Ossoff and Warnock are radicals, especially Warnock for some of his sermons. He plays those and Chuck Schumer saying “We will go win Georgia and we will change America!” His conservative listeners must be eating this garbage up and buying into the Democrats are socialists BS. The other moderate show I listen to, “Hacks on Tap” focuses on Trump, the election and current events. They did mention the electorate and the future of the two parties today on their episode. So I’m curious to know what shows you are listening to as I haven’t heard stuff about being focused on the bogus lawsuits and not the elections. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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pcq Posted December 10, 2020 Share Posted December 10, 2020 The notion that one state might deprive another of voting rights is specious. Ordinary litigants would be sanctioned for these kinds of filings. I was told no more filings are allowed under safe harbor rules and Congress is compelled to accept all certified state EV totals except Wisconsin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted December 10, 2020 Share Posted December 10, 2020 It’s so ludicrous someone or ones need to be disbarred for even bring this to the court. But they all know that. This is just part of the grift. Trump is already moving shit out of the WH and back to Mar a lago and NYC. This is just so he can extend his fundraising for his slush fund under the guise of helping with the legal bills. And it’s working. Up to $207 million and counting. He is wasting the time of his cult members AGs, basically paying them for garbage, and draining some of the bank accounts of his cult members for his personal use as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted December 10, 2020 Share Posted December 10, 2020 59 minutes ago, The Beast said: The conservative show I listen to, Hugh Hewitt’s “The Rundown,” is focused on the Georgia elections and he is saying that Ossoff and Warnock are radicals, especially Warnock for some of his sermons. He plays those and Chuck Schumer saying “We will go win Georgia and we will change America!” His conservative listeners must be eating this garbage up and buying into the Democrats are socialists BS. The other moderate show I listen to, “Hacks on Tap” focuses on Trump, the election and current events. They did mention the electorate and the future of the two parties today on their episode. So I’m curious to know what shows you are listening to as I haven’t heard stuff about being focused on the bogus lawsuits and not the elections. It's the xm channel for the left. It used to be called america left. The conservative station sounds like your first paragraph focusing more on the Georgia runoffs and using it as a jump to change america. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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