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How did every team misjudge Kwan and Madrigal so badly?

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Are those sprint speeds peak?
Average?
Averages at certain point(s) in a sprint (5 steps in, peak, and finish line)?

Not that it matters for the point of the discussion, but just curious to know.

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  • Madrigal is better than Kwan, he just can’t stay healthy

  • No way, Kwan has more power and is a way better base runner 

  • It’s because Cleveland does things like develop players.  Not only do they scout effectively, but they also know how to turn them into big league players.

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2 hours ago, JoeC said:

Are those sprint speeds peak?
Average?
Averages at certain point(s) in a sprint (5 steps in, peak, and finish line)?

Not that it matters for the point of the discussion, but just curious to know.

Not sure, any "sabes nerds" out there with a full explanation, lol?   Greg's words, not mine, I think they're just groovy.

Scouting misjudged madrigals potential to add power (or the sox to develope it). 

Eric longenhagen ultimately thought madrigal would be a high on base guy who would eventually hit 15 bombs but that never happened. 

Cleveland is also pretty good in developing some power. Their hitters still have below average power but their game is basically taking high contact no power guys and then optimizing their launch angle and batspeed so they hit like 10-15 homers (basically turning 30 grade power guys into 40 to 45s).

The sox on the other hand don't change that much usually , their hitters essentially stay what they are in college. 

2 hours ago, Dominikk85 said:

Scouting misjudged madrigals potential to add power (or the sox to develope it). 

Eric longenhagen ultimately thought madrigal would be a high on base guy who would eventually hit 15 bombs but that never happened. 

Cleveland is also pretty good in developing some power. Their hitters still have below average power but their game is basically taking high contact no power guys and then optimizing their launch angle and batspeed so they hit like 10-15 homers (basically turning 30 grade power guys into 40 to 45s).

The sox on the other hand don't change that much usually , their hitters essentially stay what they are in college. 

Even if Madrigal didn’t develop any more power than Kwan, the guy they had last May would be a seriously disruptive player especially if he became a stolen base threat.

The Sox seriously misjudged his ability to stay healthy. Considering he was already banged up in more than one way when drafted, that’s the mistake. 

Btw madrigal had more power in college than kwan

Kwan 

0.089 iso, 3 career homerd

Madrigal 

0.141 iso, 8 career homers 

Madrigal was seen as a higher quality bat (30 points higher BA than kwan) with more impact potential. 

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10 hours ago, Dominikk85 said:

Scouting misjudged madrigals potential to add power (or the sox to develope it). 

Eric longenhagen ultimately thought madrigal would be a high on base guy who would eventually hit 15 bombs but that never happened. 

Cleveland is also pretty good in developing some power. Their hitters still have below average power but their game is basically taking high contact no power guys and then optimizing their launch angle and batspeed so they hit like 10-15 homers (basically turning 30 grade power guys into 40 to 45s).

The sox on the other hand don't change that much usually , their hitters essentially stay what they are in college. 

See Cesar Hernandez first half 2021.

By the way, is Madrigal going to start for the cubs again next year? Is he still a prospect or a bust?

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9 minutes ago, greg775 said:

By the way, is Madrigal going to start for the cubs again next year? Is he still a prospect or a bust?

About the same as Kelenic.

 

 

On 9/22/2022 at 1:57 AM, caulfield12 said:

He wouldn't even be above average speed for 1B/DH.

Grounded into an around the horn triple play this year.  Slooooow.

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