Risk versus reward. “There’s a lot of drama and intrigue, but this is always about managing risk vs reward,” the person said.

“I know that’s not very exciting, but it’s how these decisions get made at the highest level,” the executive added. “A weighing of the negatives - and risks to the business - versus the positives or benefits.”

 

At this point, what if any benefits are there (in terms of the future success and value of the organization) to continue to retain the services of Rick Hahn as GM?

The Sox brand is being destroyed and the good will of the fanbase is being diminished on a daily basis.  Yet there's still no action to restore the faith of season ticket holders and sponsors who were certainly...at the very least implicitly...promised a competitive product in 2023. 

Edited April 25, 20232 yr by caulfield12

You Can’t Sue Your Favorite Team for Stinking, But Can You Sue Them for Intentionally Stinking?

"Mr. McGuinness is claiming his own “economic damages” as a result of paying a premium price for a ticket that shouldn’t have cost so much.  McGuinness, who bought his ticket on the resale market, alleges:

“It was like going to Morton’s Steakhouse and paying $63 for porterhouse and they bring out cube steak.”

 

The legal argument here is that they increased attendance by nearly 25% in 2022 in the midst of dramatically underperforming/overpromising  expectations of a World Series contender, but still raised parking, ticket, souvenir and concession prices well beyond the prevailing rate of inflation all while hard capping the amount of spending in the offseason... despite losing one of their most important players in Hendricks (insurance subsidy/payment as well involved here)... and failed to replace that talent, resulting in an entirely predictable outcome for fans. 

 

Edited April 25, 20232 yr by caulfield12

35 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

Risk versus reward. “There’s a lot of drama and intrigue, but this is always about managing risk vs reward,” the person said.

“I know that’s not very exciting, but it’s how these decisions get made at the highest level,” the executive added. “A weighing of the negatives - and risks to the business - versus the positives or benefits.”

 

At this point, what if any benefits are there (in terms of the future success and value of the organization) to continue to retain the services of Rick Hahn as GM?

The Sox brand is being destroyed and the good will of the fanbase is being diminished on a daily basis.  Yet there's still no action to restore the faith of season ticket holders and sponsors who were certainly...at the very least implicitly...promised a competitive product in 2023. 

Realistically, any sort of firing would happen in the offseason and would come in the form of kicking Hahn upstairs and having Williams retire. Then the new GM comes in and keeps Grifol on for the remainder of his contract. If they don’t do it this offseason then they’ll tie Hahn to Grifol’s deal and make them lame ducks. 

With that said, Hahn is getting up there with his tenure relative to the other White Sox GMs. And his winning percentage is underperforming compared to others (yeah I know about the rebuild years). So it might be time for a change soon anyway based on historical norms.

Let's not forget Jerry "2nd place" Reinsdorf. 

2 minutes ago, The Beast said:

Realistically, any sort of firing would happen in the offseason and would come in the form of kicking Hahn upstairs and having Williams retire. Then the new GM comes in and keeps Grifol on for the remainder of his contract. If they don’t do it this offseason then they’ll tie Hahn to Grifol’s deal and make them lame ducks. 

With that said, Hahn is getting up there with his tenure relative to the other White Sox GMs. And his winning percentage is underperforming compared to others (yeah I know about the rebuild years). So it might be time for a change soon anyway based on historical norms.

Has there ever been a GM in MLB history to come into an organization with TWO failed GM’s (KW would have been fired by 90-95% of teams after 2007/09/11) stacked up above his new position with vague/opaque powers over him/her?

2 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

Has there ever been a GM in MLB history to come into an organization with TWO failed GM’s (KW would have been fired by 90-95% of teams after 2007/09/11) stacked up above his new position with vague/opaque powers over him/her?

No or not sure, but it’s the White Sox we are talking about.

59 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

Has there ever been a GM in MLB history to come into an organization with TWO failed GM’s (KW would have been fired by 90-95% of teams after 2007/09/11) stacked up above his new position with vague/opaque powers over him/her?

Kenny Williams would not have been fired by most teams for 2007 and probably not for 2009. 

Hasn’t that point come a while ago? I don’t think I understand what the risk is with firing him.

Once the ship has already hit the iceberg then replacing the captain has little point! But any decent captain would go down with his ship.

Hank Greenberg was the sole experienced GM hired in White Sox history after Bill Veeck purchased the team in 1959. Greenberg was Veeck's farm director in Cleveland. After Veeck sold the Cleveland ballclub after the 1948 World Series Championship, the new owner promoted Hank Greenberg to GM. Returning player Larry Doby recommended three players to Greenberg to scout in the Negro Leagues.  The next offseason, Doby asked what scouts said about Doby's recommendations.

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 "Our guys checked 'em out and their reports were not good. They said that Aaron has a hitch in his swing and will never hit good pitching. Banks is too slow and didn't have enough range [at shortstop], and Mays can't hit a curveball."

-Hank Greenberg

 

Edited April 25, 20232 yr by South Side Hit Men

It was riskier to keep Hahn when they started the rebuild. It was riskier to keep Hahn when they got decent. They should have fired him when they canned Renteria. Hahn had already shown he can't correctly  add to a team that may be ready to win. And it's played out to show exactly that. JR can't admit he's wrong, so Hahn will stay, and the Sox will continue to lose.

I'm sorry I can't stand the sight of Hahn. Seems to be a cocky know it all bullshitter type who is an arrogant prick