Fire Chris Getz

[WestEddy]

20 hours ago, maxjusttyped said:

People forget Dombrowski was running Tigers player development for years before their organization imploded and then he received a promotion to GM that no other team would have ever considered giving him.

Oh no... that was Getz? Never mind.

Actually, Dombrowski was the Expos Director of Development for 1 year when they promoted him to GM at the age of 31, the youngest GM at the time. He had less experience than Chris Getz when Getz was promoted. 

But...carry on. 

[southsider2k5]

10 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

Actually, Dombrowski was the Expos Director of Development for 1 year when they promoted him to GM at the age of 31, the youngest GM at the time. He had less experience than Chris Getz when Getz was promoted. 

But...carry on. 

This is a solid sleight of hand.

[southsider2k5]

6 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

This is a solid sleight of hand.

But interestingly enough also wrong, or intentionally leaving parts out.  He was an assistant GM for the White Sox before going to Montreal.  But I do appreciate the move of the goalposts from his time with the Tigers to his time with Montreal.

[Quin]

13 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

But interestingly enough also wrong, or intentionally leaving parts out.  He was an assistant GM for the White Sox before going to Montreal.  But I do appreciate the move of the goalposts from his time with the Tigers to his time with Montreal.

There's an alternate reality where the '90s White Sox are GM'd by Dombrowski and coached by Francona. Or Dombrowski/La Russa in the '80s.

[caulfield12]

Dombrowski got his start as an administrative assistant in the Chicago White Sox front office in 1978 (age 22). He was their farm director in 1980 (24) and the assistant GM from 1982 (26) to 1986 (30). He moved to the Expos as farm director in 1987 (31), 

[JUSTgottaBELIEVE]

10 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

Dombrowski got his start as an administrative assistant in the Chicago White Sox front office in 1978 (age 22). He was their farm director in 1980 (24) and the assistant GM from 1982 (26) to 1986 (30). He moved to the Expos as farm director in 1987 (31), 

@WestEddy fake news

[WestEddy]

8 minutes ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said:

@WestEddy fake news

Oh, Dombrowski had one more year of front office experience than Getz's 9 when they became GMs for the first time. I guess you're all telling me that the one extra year Dombrowski had made him so much more worthy of a GM spot than Chris Getz. LOL. 

[southsider2k5]

9 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

Oh, Dombrowski had one more year of front office experience than Getz's 9 when they became GMs for the first time. I guess you're all telling me that the one extra year Dombrowski had made him so much more worthy of a GM spot than Chris Getz. LOL. 

When he became GM of Montreal.  But you have been going on an on about 2003 when he was GM of the Detroit Tigers, which was 15 YEARS after he had those previous eight years of experience.  Again, nice twist of information there.  Not to mention the fact that the White Sox most successful player development ERA was the late 80s and early 90s, instantly contrasting his performance with Chris Getz's demonstrating masterfully Getz's failing upwards, vs someone actually earning a promotion.

[WhiteSox2023]

1 hour ago, WestEddy said:

You want the White Sox to regularly start players you have declared to be hot garbage, just so you can scream that the GM is in "over his head". Making sense is something you can only dream of. 

Well, Getz signed veterans that Venable is currently playing and guess what?  They are on the same record-setting losing pace that they were on last season after 12 games.

Does that make sense?

Yeah, he’s in over his head.  And the funny thing is that I didn’t make that graphic.  It was from a White Sox Podcast on YouTube…

 

Edited April 11 by WhiteSox2023

[chitownsportsfan]

How did a thread about one of the worst GMs in baseball turn into a compare and contrast with arguably the best? That's like an Andrew Vaughn DFA thread turning into a debate about him or Frank Thomas.

[caulfield12]

 

Getz hired by Royals after 2014, leads them to World Series title in his rookie season in the front office

 

"After retiring as a player early last season, Getz took the summer off to consider his career options and decided to stay in baseball. He had a discussion with Royals general manager Dayton Moore and assistant general manager J.J. Picollo, and was offered a job in player personnel and development.

"They offered me a position that was ideal and would expose me to the other side of the game, in all areas," Getz said.

"As I'm making the transition from playing, I couldn't think of a better place to go, considering my prior relationships and the baseball minds I'm going to be around, and also because of the character of them. I just felt [Kansas City] was a great place to go."

"He'll get a chance to do a lot of things," Picollo said. "He's a good baseball guy, so I'm glad we got him."

 

mlb.com

[southsider2k5]

This is also a fun read.  Then note is from 2020, where he is talking about the same kind of things they are today.  Fancy machines to aid in analytics.  Bringing in new people from the outside to prevent injuries. Next verse, same as the first.

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/1566148/2020/01/28/what-the-white-soxs-next-stage-of-player-development-looks-like/

[caulfield12]

Not to mention they couldn't be any more different in backgrounds...former player route/connections hire versus starting in a big league front office and rising up from ground zero beginning at age 22.

The Montreal and then Marlins minor league systems in the 80s and 90s...through the 2003 World Series victory over the Yankees culmination, were the envy of everyone in the industry.

It wasn't until Tigers Red Sox Phillies years that he was connected with profligate spending...as he wouldn't have had to take those jobs on shoestring budgets, quite clearly.

Edited April 11 by caulfield12

[WhiteSox2023]

11 minutes ago, chitownsportsfan said:

How did a thread about one of the worst GMs in baseball turn into a compare and contrast with arguably the best? That's like an Andrew Vaughn DFA thread turning into a debate about him or Frank Thomas.

Because Getz’s #1 fan entered the thread.

[WestEddy]

25 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

Well, Getz signed veterans that Venable is currently playing and guess what?  They are on the same record-setting losing pace that they were on last season after 12 games.

Does that make sense?

Yeah, he’s in over his head.  And the funny thing is that I didn’t make that graphic.  It was from a White Sox Podcast on YouTube…

 

Wait a minute!!! Are you saying that two guys who can prop up their phone and make videos of themselves talking about things ALSO posted a graphic on the internet? Why didn't you say you were referencing such credible sources?!? LOL. 

It's a rebuild, and his budget was cut. I've already asked you to show me some rebuilds other GMs have conducted where they only went to the playoffs every year of the rebuild. 

The pitching rotation is 4 rookies. Does that make you happy? Four of their regular starters have less than 2 years' service time. Why aren't you happy about that? 5 of the 8 bullpen arms start the season with less than 2 years' service time. 

Benintendi and Robert have guaranteed contracts, and they have to produce to get traded. You're basically complaining about Matt Thaiss and Nick Maton getting starts, and Travis Jankowski getting platoon starts in the first 12 games. 

So basically, Getz is starting as many rookies from the organization that can play baseball right now. 

Making sense really isn't your strong suit. 

 

[WhiteSox2023]

16 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

Wait a minute!!! Are you saying that two guys who can prop up their phone and make videos of themselves talking about things ALSO posted a graphic on the internet? Why didn't you say you were referencing such credible sources?!? LOL. 

It's a rebuild, and his budget was cut. I've already asked you to show me some rebuilds other GMs have conducted where they only went to the playoffs every year of the rebuild. 

The pitching rotation is 4 rookies. Does that make you happy? Four of their regular starters have less than 2 years' service time. Why aren't you happy about that? 5 of the 8 bullpen arms start the season with less than 2 years' service time. 

Benintendi and Robert have guaranteed contracts, and they have to produce to get traded. You're basically complaining about Matt Thaiss and Nick Maton getting starts, and Travis Jankowski getting platoon starts in the first 12 games. 

So basically, Getz is starting as many rookies from the organization that can play baseball right now. 

Making sense really isn't your strong suit. 

 

I never said that those podcast guys on YouTube were a valid source, but you are no more of a valid source on the White Sox than they are.

Also, you just proved my point then.  If the veteran position players haven’t played much, why even bother signing them?  Like I said, either way this team is going for the record books once again.

Kissing Getz’s ass is really your only strong suit.

Edited April 11 by WhiteSox2023

[WestEddy]

24 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

I never said that those podcast guys on YouTube were a valid source, but you are no more of a valid source on the White Sox than they are.

Also, you just proved my point then.  If the veteran position players haven’t played much, why even bother signing them?  Like I said, either way this team is going for the record books once again.

Kissing Getz’s ass is really your only strong suit.

Nick Maton is on the team because Brandon Drury broke his thumb. Travis Jankowski got a few platoon starts because Mike Tauchman was injured. Matt Thaiss plays more than Korey Lee for the same reason they call LHHs the "strong" side of a platoon. There are more righties in the game than lefties. 

You have no point to prove. The Sox have to play the games on their schedule. They don't have the talent at the upper levels to fill the big league roster. So they signed cheap 30-year-olds, a noted market inefficiency. And seriously, correcting your weird hyperbole isn't "kissing ass". 

[southsider2k5]

4 hours ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

Because Getz’s #1 fan entered the thread.

JI

JIMTHOME!

[WhiteSox2023]

3 hours ago, WestEddy said:

Nick Maton is on the team because Brandon Drury broke his thumb. Travis Jankowski got a few platoon starts because Mike Tauchman was injured. Matt Thaiss plays more than Korey Lee for the same reason they call LHHs the "strong" side of a platoon. There are more righties in the game than lefties. 

You have no point to prove. The Sox have to play the games on their schedule. They don't have the talent at the upper levels to fill the big league roster. So they signed cheap 30-year-olds, a noted market inefficiency. And seriously, correcting your weird hyperbole isn't "kissing ass". 

If only Getz would have done a better job at his previous roles.  Then we might have better young talent to play right now instead of veteran non-roster invitees.

[caulfield12]

4 hours ago, WestEddy said:

Wait a minute!!! Are you saying that two guys who can prop up their phone and make videos of themselves talking about things ALSO posted a graphic on the internet? Why didn't you say you were referencing such credible sources?!? LOL. 

It's a rebuild, and his budget was cut. I've already asked you to show me some rebuilds other GMs have conducted where they only went to the playoffs every year of the rebuild. 

The pitching rotation is 4 rookies. Does that make you happy? Four of their regular starters have less than 2 years' service time. Why aren't you happy about that? 5 of the 8 bullpen arms start the season with less than 2 years' service time. 

Benintendi and Robert have guaranteed contracts, and they have to produce to get traded. You're basically complaining about Matt Thaiss and Nick Maton getting starts, and Travis Jankowski getting platoon starts in the first 12 games. 

So basically, Getz is starting as many rookies from the organization that can play baseball right now. 

Making sense really isn't your strong suit. 

 

Except a lot of those pitching rookies (or with less than two years of service time overall) in the bullpen are late 20s or early 30s guys.

Most are unlikely to be on the next playoff team.

In fact, Meidroth or Baldwin might be the only current Sox position players on the 2027 roster.  Odds are at least 50/50 that they don't make it.

And we will be fortunate to have 2/3 pitchers from 13 total spots last.  I will go with Shane Smith as the one keeper.

[WestEddy]

19 hours ago, caulfield12 said:

Most are unlikely to be on the next playoff team.

I'll bet that half of the next playoff team isn't in the organization, yet. How do they play prospects they haven't drafted or traded for, yet?

[WhiteSox2023]

7 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

I'll bet that half of the next playoff team isn't in the organization, yet. How do they play prospects they haven't drafted or traded for, yet?

Jesus, so Getz is getting 5 more years with this rebuild?

[WestEddy]

19 hours ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

If only Getz would have done a better job at his previous roles.  Then we might have better young talent to play right now instead of veteran non-roster invitees.

He did. He developed a good part of the last core that went to the playoffs 2 years in a row. He also developed 3 of our rotation starters, and 2 current prospects in the lineup (Sosa, Baldwin). 

Too bad the previous regime had Hostetler drafting like s%*#, and punted so many of our high first rounders. 

 

[WestEddy]

10 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

Jesus, so Getz is getting 5 more years with this rebuild?

You keep telling us that every GM who lost a lot of games in their first rebuild year has been fired. Can you name any? Caulfield assures us that Getz has 4-5 years. 

[southsider2k5]

13 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

I'll bet that half of the next playoff team isn't in the organization, yet. How do they play prospects they haven't drafted or traded for, yet?

That right there is telling of how unproductive the last 1.5 years has been.