SoxFan1 Posted November 13, 2003 Share Posted November 13, 2003 I gotta go with Oh-We-Oh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 13, 2003 Share Posted November 13, 2003 Him hitting behind a runner with a guy on second base... Oh yeah, I miss that already Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSteve Posted November 13, 2003 Share Posted November 13, 2003 Better than the asshole on the Scrubs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danman31 Posted November 13, 2003 Share Posted November 13, 2003 Better than the guy on the Cubs because that describes the all-around package Maggs is. If there was an all of the above choice I'd have to pick that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CubKilla Posted November 13, 2003 Share Posted November 13, 2003 If there was an all of the above choice I'd have to pick that. There should be. It sickens me that I am a fan of a team that will allow..... arguably..... one of the best RF's in the AL, hell, MLB, go for 3 cheap buttwipes and some bat tape just because JR wants to back out of paying him, "to remain competitive." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted November 13, 2003 Share Posted November 13, 2003 I'd like to see the Sox move Konerko, Koch and even Lee to clear payroll to keep Magglio and give him a new contract at 9-10 mill a year. Hold out for him to figure it out right now and just put the team in position where they can pay Maggs a little over market value for the season. When he sees what Vladdy and Sheffield get he'll quickly realize he better take a fair offer cause the economy is only going to continue to correct itself for the next few years (By economy I mean baseball economy and deflating towards what players should be making).  By moving Konerko...the toughest of the tasks then you open up a place to bring someone like Robin for a year to play with a righty and kind of platoon at first with Thomas DH'ing and can have Maggs in the cleanup spot and your platoon in the 5 hole with Crede in the 2 hole.  Lee brings you starting pitching and then I'd like to see the Sox who would need two out fielders, go after Cameron for like a 3 yr 10-12 mill deal to play center and plan on Reed/Rowand in left. If you need to use Borchard to get rid of Konerko for Perez you do it. Then dangle Lee for a legit leadoff hitter or another starter and then the Sox don't even have to look at free agency other then to add a vet or two to the bench as well as a vet or two to the pen.  Think of this Trade for a leadoff hitter (using Lee) - 2nd Baseman (could just sign Alomar/Vina and trade Lee for another starter) Jeremy Reed Frank Thomas Magglio Ventura/Righty FA (maybe a Reggie Sanders or Rondell White; whoever is hanging around) Mike Cameron Jose Valentin Joe Crede Miguel Olivo  Thats got some speed throughout the lineup. Only Thomas and Crede are slow and everyone else can flat go. You would have some k's, but most of the guys that whiff are also patient. Ventura, Thomas, Cameron is improving at that. Your leadoff guy, Reed, Magglio likely won't k (well Reed won't once ready, imo..so I probably shouldn't project that).  Defensively damn..that outfield could flat get to the ball and in the infield we all know Robin can pick it at first and everything else would be solid. Find a way to move Jose and get Itzuris and your still in good shape but free up 5 more mill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kramer99 Posted November 13, 2003 Share Posted November 13, 2003 SOSA SUCKS!!! :fthecubs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted November 13, 2003 Share Posted November 13, 2003 As far as the payroll from my above example. Â About 34 million in the offense...depending...kind of a high estimate. This is definately worrisome, BUT, move Jose which wouldn't be too bad and figure a way to get Itzuris and you save 4 mill and I think once you renegotiate with Magglio, you'll save about 4 mill so eventually you'd get it down to about 26 mill. Â Pitching Wise Perez - 4.5 Elo - 4.5 Buehrle - 4 Garland - 2 Other Starter - 2 (Should be plenty to get a solid guy; if you deal Lee u could get a quality young pitcher that is still signed for cheap too) Â 17 mill. So thats now 51 mill before moving Jose and renegotiating with Magglio. But it figures Buehrle signing an extension and Garland signing one. U could be a little cheaper if you just go through arbitration. Â So now budgeted isn't much for the pen, but u have Marte, Wunsch, Scho and Wright for about 4 mill meaning you have 3 to add two guys. Do some interesting maneuvering and you could get in around 58 mill and then if ya clear the 8 mill you'd be in around 52 mill to 54 with all your relievers and figure a little extra in salary you have to take and that gives ya about an extra 4-5 mill to pick up in trades. Â I call it viable. If Cameron won't come for that price, then look to insert Jose cruz Jr in left field for cheap and play Reed in center (Cruz could be had for 2.5 mil or so saving you a little more). Â This is a way to keep Maggs and Thomas together and have most of hte team signed for the next few years so you don't really have to worry near as much the next few seasons about going over budget. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted November 13, 2003 Share Posted November 13, 2003 The fact he's betta than Got Cork? of course Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capn12 Posted November 13, 2003 Share Posted November 13, 2003 You'd rather move CLee than Maggs, Jas? I dunno. CLee is cheaper, IMO has more upside in terms of power, obviously can be a good runner on the bases, has really solidified his defense, and is younger. Maggs after 2004 is gonna walk anyways, looking for the big payday, and we certainly won't be the team to give it to him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted November 13, 2003 Share Posted November 13, 2003 Thats got some speed throughout the lineup. Only Thomas and Crede are slow and everyone else can flat go. You would have some k's, but most of the guys that whiff are also patient. Ventura, Thomas, Cameron is improving at that. Your leadoff guy, Reed, Magglio likely won't k (well Reed won't once ready, imo..so I probably shouldn't project that). Â Ummmm ... last time I checked, Robin wasn't exactly a speed demon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Lopez Ghost (old) Posted November 13, 2003 Share Posted November 13, 2003 Ummmm ... last time I checked, Robin wasn't exactly a speed demon. Yasny, Robin hit an inside the park homer last year! Of course, he had a heart attack afterwards.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Lopez Ghost (old) Posted November 13, 2003 Share Posted November 13, 2003 There should be. It sickens me that I am a fan of a team that will allow..... arguably..... one of the best RF's in the AL, hell, MLB, go for 3 cheap buttwipes and some bat tape just because JR wants to back out of paying him, "to remain competitive." Yeah, what I'm going to miss is the idea that my team's management wants to make the playoffs by assembling the best team they can, not the best team they can under 55 million. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 13, 2003 Share Posted November 13, 2003 You'd rather move CLee than Maggs, Jas? I dunno. CLee is cheaper, IMO has more upside in terms of power, obviously can be a good runner on the bases, has really solidified his defense, and is younger. Maggs after 2004 is gonna walk anyways, looking for the big payday, and we certainly won't be the team to give it to him. You read my mind Cap. Add in there the fact Maggs seemed to take a step backwards this year, and the monetary difference between the players and you have my exact feelings on the matter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSteve Posted November 13, 2003 Share Posted November 13, 2003 Yasny, Robin hit an inside the park homer last year! Of course, he had a heart attack afterwards.... Afterwards? I think it started somewhere between second and third. Did he not have to stop to get a breather? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan1 Posted November 13, 2003 Author Share Posted November 13, 2003 Robin back on the Sox? Pippen back on the Bulls, aaaaah! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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