May 19, 2025May 19 the thing with Elko is we are so metrically sound in today's game that it would be weird for a dangerous bat to fall that far in the draft. Unless he somehow added some crazy amount of bat speed. the expected stats in MILB indicate he was due to come back to earth some. it's wild to think it but if George Wolkow spent a few years improving his bat to ball a decent amount, he'd just be at Elko level, and we're not sure if Elko can make it on his bat. Conclusion being, MLB is difficult as hell.
May 19, 2025May 19 9 minutes ago, Princess Dye said: the thing with Elko is we are so metrically sound in today's game that it would be weird for a dangerous bat to fall that far in the draft. Unless he somehow added some crazy amount of bat speed. the expected stats in MILB indicate he was due to come back to earth some. it's wild to think it but if George Wolkow spent a few years improving his bat to ball a decent amount, he'd just be at Elko level, and we're not sure if Elko can make it on his bat. Conclusion being, MLB is difficult as hell. Yea ZIPS has Elko as a 91 wRC+ projection. It's sad that we fans have had to spend so much time fretting around end of the roster guys. But this is where we are at as a franchise. It's some of the only things worth talking about in another miserable season for the team.
May 19, 2025May 19 36 minutes ago, chitownsportsfan said: Yea ZIPS has Elko as a 91 wRC+ projection. It's sad that we fans have had to spend so much time fretting around end of the roster guys. But this is where we are at as a franchise. It's some of the only things worth talking about in another miserable season for the team. It's the backup QB syndrome. The player you don't see has to he better, until the fans see them play.
May 19, 2025May 19 26 minutes ago, ptatc said: It's the backup QB syndrome. The player you don't see has to he better, until the fans see them play. I call it "worst season of all time syndrome"
May 19, 2025May 19 Vargas wins AL Player of the Week honors. Smith with some competition for the Sox ASG rep if he stays hot?
May 19, 2025May 19 Vargas has been the biggest success story of the year (obviously assuming his better play sticks). For as bad as the Sox have been, Meidroth/Quero/Vargas/Smith/Cannon having major league success has helped soften the blow for me.
May 19, 2025May 19 2 hours ago, chitownsportsfan said: Yea ZIPS has Elko as a 91 wRC+ projection. It's sad that we fans have had to spend so much time fretting around end of the roster guys. But this is where we are at as a franchise. It's some of the only things worth talking about in another miserable season for the team. Yeah, I don't expect him to be much but I'm just tired of Vaughn. Guy was below average and just trending downward ever since. Maybe you get a couple Palka type seasons out of Elko. Maybe not. Still would rather find out than watch anymore Vaughn.
May 19, 2025May 19 2 hours ago, southsider2k5 said: I call it "worst season of all time syndrome" I'm shocked this is your take on this. Because this only happens to the White Sox players, of course. Edited May 19, 2025May 19 by ptatc
May 19, 2025May 19 13 minutes ago, ptatc said: I'm shocked this is your take on this. Because this only happens to the White Sox players, of course. No it does not. But it happens with Sox fans a lot more because they have an absolutely terrible line up. I am NOT shocked your take is to attack me personally.
May 19, 2025May 19 And for the record, on fangraphs there are 27 qualifying 1B as measured by PAs in baseball right now. -Andrew Vaughn is 27th on the offensive side. -Andrew Vaughn is 24th on the defensive side. -Andrew Vaughn in 27th in fWAR. If you expand it out to ALL qualified starters: -Andrew Vaughn is 153 of 164 on the defensive side. -Andrew Vaughn is 162 of 164 on the offensive side. -Andrew Vaughn ranks 164th of 164 in fWAR. People are convinced Tim Elko should play because Andrew Vaughn is quite literally the worst starter in MLB right now.
May 19, 2025May 19 10 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: And for the record, on fangraphs there are 27 qualifying 1B as measured by PAs in baseball right now. -Andrew Vaughn is 27th on the offensive side. -Andrew Vaughn is 24th on the defensive side. -Andrew Vaughn in 27th in fWAR. If you expand it out to ALL qualified starters: -Andrew Vaughn is 153 of 164 on the defensive side. -Andrew Vaughn is 162 of 164 on the offensive side. -Andrew Vaughn ranks 164th of 164 in fWAR. People are convinced Tim Elko should play because Andrew Vaughn is quite literally the worst starter in MLB right now. He’s now a full .3 fWAR clear of his competition. Yikes
May 19, 2025May 19 6 hours ago, Lip Man 1 said: Based on Getz's comments I don't think Elko is in their long term plans. Based on our comments we don't think Getz should be in their long term plans
May 19, 2025May 19 3 hours ago, chitownsportsfan said: Yea ZIPS has Elko as a 91 wRC+ projection. It's sad that we fans have had to spend so much time fretting around end of the roster guys. But this is where we are at as a franchise. It's some of the only things worth talking about in another miserable season for the team. I hate to keep saying this because Elko is a good story, but for a fan base so rabid against guys with high strikeout rates and low walks, Elko is somehow overlooked. Watching him haul ass down the line, you can see how he has a sky high BABIP in the minors. But look at Moncada and TA for examples of guys that relies on high BABIPs to succeed.
May 19, 2025May 19 28 minutes ago, Quin said: I hate to keep saying this because Elko is a good story, but for a fan base so rabid against guys with high strikeout rates and low walks, Elko is somehow overlooked. Watching him haul ass down the line, you can see how he has a sky high BABIP in the minors. But look at Moncada and TA for examples of guys that relies on high BABIPs to succeed. For me it's not about Tim Elko, it's about literally anyone replacing Andrew Vaughn.
May 20, 2025May 20 A lot of underlying metrics make this stretch feel more sustainable than just a little hot streak.
May 31, 2025May 31 On 5/19/2025 at 2:10 PM, ptatc said: It's the backup QB syndrome. The player you don't see has to he better, until the fans see them play. When you are a Sox fan, chances are that any other players are better than the crap we are watching.
May 31, 2025May 31 10 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said: When you are a Sox fan, chances are that any other players are better than the crap we are watching. the (insert player) was DFA'd should the Sox take a chance? it happens in every sport with fans of bad teams The Sox are not the change of scenery cure either
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