Sox now Colas free zone

[southsider2k5]

23 hours ago, ChiSox59 said:

Angels already picked him up. 

i think there is a decent Colas produces a few seasons of being average big leaguer. I think Sox should have given him much more of a chance. 

The Sox don't seem to be able to get anything out of guys who aren't already ideal players.

[nrockway]

Just now, southsider2k5 said:

It's to make the point that MLB wage scale and normal wage scale are obviously very different.  Trying to equate it to average Americans is fruitless.  Equating it to his peers is how to get proper perspective. 

I think the idea is he got paid millions for failing; and even if some of his former peers got paid a lot more to be bad, it's still a ton of money. $3mil is also a fairly large signing bonus and Colas was a top prospect. I tend to think most of these guys don't pan out, but I wonder what the 'success rate' is for big money international prospects. Colas was older than most of them and ranked highly, you might imagine those kinds of guys do pan out in some capacity (kind of like Abreu, just not as good).

Don't get me wrong, I liked what you wrote and agree with the premise, I just liked the term "MLB minimum wage" more lol. I also don't think the comparison is fruitless. most of this thread is about the comparison, right? is it a lot of money? I think, like, 99% of society would want to make this minimum wage and I'm wondering why so many of the posts are about "if it's a lot of money" or not. maybe you guys really struck gold with SoxTalk LOL but I think it's a lot of $.

Just now, Capn12 said:

88 games across 2 seasons is considered ample opportunity? Things I learned today…I still think he goes elsewhere and is somewhat productive.

You're joking, right? He got rushed through the minors, privileged above other players in the system, and in those 88 games produced -1.4 WAR. Those 88 games were far too many. He's been getting way too much opportunity in the minors this year. You know he was playing first base in Charlotte just so they could get him at bats? Did you see his stats there, because I posted them and so did another guy. 

I think he can be productive too, as I wrote I think he's clearly better than his statistics, but I think he has some "Oscar" issues to work out and the relationship with the team was torched here pretty much from the beginning I have to think, certainly with the new front office. Maybe he will mature and maybe another org will give him a shot. It is ample opportunity and it's weird to think it's only about MLB games. Cherrypicking.

[Ducksnort]

Remember the good ol' days when we fantasized about Oscar Colas, Seth Beer, and Jake Burger? 

[southsider2k5]

26 minutes ago, nrockway said:

I think the idea is he got paid millions for failing; and even if some of his former peers got paid a lot more to be bad, it's still a ton of money. $3mil is also a fairly large signing bonus and Colas was a top prospect. I tend to think most of these guys don't pan out, but I wonder what the 'success rate' is for big money international prospects. Colas was older than most of them and ranked highly, you might imagine those kinds of guys do pan out in some capacity (kind of like Abreu, just not as good).

Don't get me wrong, I liked what you wrote and agree with the premise, I just liked the term "MLB minimum wage" more lol. I also don't think the comparison is fruitless. most of this thread is about the comparison, right? is it a lot of money? I think, like, 99% of society would want to make this minimum wage and I'm wondering why so many of the posts are about "if it's a lot of money" or not. maybe you guys really struck gold with SoxTalk LOL but I think it's a lot of $.

You're joking, right? He got rushed through the minors, privileged above other players in the system, and in those 88 games produced -1.4 WAR. Those 88 games were far too many. He's been getting way too much opportunity in the minors this year. You know he was playing first base in Charlotte just so they could get him at bats? Did you see his stats there, because I posted them and so did another guy. 

I think he can be productive too, as I wrote I think he's clearly better than his statistics, but I think he has some "Oscar" issues to work out and the relationship with the team was torched here pretty much from the beginning I have to think, certainly with the new front office. Maybe he will mature and maybe another org will give him a shot. It is ample opportunity and it's weird to think it's only about MLB games. Cherrypicking.

MLB minimum wage is 20 times what the average us family makes in a year.  It's apples to bowling balls.

[WhiteSox2023]

$2.7 million was and still is chump change for a 23-year old top Cuban prospect.  It was worth a shot.

Meanwhile, Getz signed a redundant 30-year old all glove / no bat infielder Josh Rojas for $3.5 million dollars to add to a rebuilding team that can’t hit.  Some posters are saying that Rojas should have been cut to keep Elko on the roster.

If we want to talk about real wastes of money, we don’t have to look very far.

Edited May 26 by WhiteSox2023

[Lip Man 1]

28 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

$2.7 million was and still is chump change for a 23-year old top Cuban prospect.  It was worth a shot.

Meanwhile, Getz signed a redundant 30-year old all glove / no bat infielder Josh Rojas for $3.5 million dollars to add to a rebuilding team that can’t hit.  Some posters are saying that Rojas should have been cut to keep Elko on the roster.

If we want to talk about real wastes of money, we don’t have to look very far.

There are seemingly countless examples of Hahn and now Getz wasting JR's "precious" $$$$$ on has been's, stiffs, injury-prone guys and retreads 'hoping' they will suddenly do well when historically the prior results said it was a very long shot at best.  

Yet when it comes to paying top dollar, for game changing franchise altering talent, that is apparently off limits.

Who can figure out the logic in that philosophy.

  

Edited May 26 by Lip Man 1

[The Grinder]

This franchise knows better than any other that all that glitters isn't gold

[Lip Man 1]

9 minutes ago, The Grinder said:

This franchise knows better than any other that all that glitters isn't gold

True but a lot of that is because the franchise itself is incompetent, dysfunctional and inept from top to bottom. 

[pcq]

2 hours ago, southsider2k5 said:

The Sox don't seem to be able to get anything out of guys who aren't already ideal players.

Worth a flyer to LA because his team had personal issues with him. Kind of like a guy named Jenks some years ago. 

 

[PaleAleSox]

18 minutes ago, pcq said:

Worth a flyer to LA because his team had personal issues with him. Kind of like a guy named Jenks some years ago. 

 

I don’t think Colas has the equivalent of what Jenks had, though. 

[JoeC]

22 hours ago, Ducksnort said:

Remember the good ol' days when we fantasized about Oscar Colas, Seth Beer, and Jake Burger? 

Have to make a plug for Jace Fry, too.

[southsider2k5]

21 hours ago, pcq said:

Worth a flyer to LA because his team had personal issues with him. Kind of like a guy named Jenks some years ago. 

 

Honestly, we should be looking for both types of players.  High ceiling OFs and kids with crazy arms and some flaws that we can hopefully fix.  We can't draft our way to a playoff birth anytime in the near future.  We need to succeed internationally, be able to rescue some strays, as well as developing our own guys.

[Ducksnort]

7 hours ago, JoeC said:

Have to make a plug for Jace Fry, too.

Oh what could have been

[chitownsportsfan]

It still counts but he got off to such a horrible start that even being above league average with his xwOBA for about a month still has him below average overall. He keeps this level of play up however and he'll have a really fine season: bonehead mistakes can be cleaned up hitting the ball hard and playing a decent overall 2B is a solid floor.