SAMMY !!

52 minutes ago, Colome's Hat said:

SAMMY !!

Might need Psycho Sam to get involved with neighborhood negotiations lol.

Or Chairman of the Board Sammy to crack some skulls.

Edited September 4Sep 4 by caulfield12

If Ishbia could move the stadium without trashing Bridgeport and Armor Park with a massive train yard it might be easier to swallow for those of us opposed to it. Instead he is intent on ramming through a plan that severely diminishes surrounding real estate and business values (without compensation) and the appeal of the larger surrounding areas including IIT, Bronzezille and South Halsted.

There is plenty of real estate between 33rd St and 39th St to build a retractable dome stadium and add bars and restaurants in the adjacent and surrounding area....instead of sh1tcanning the area and with it over 120 years of baseball history. A glorified concept of an open air stadium with a view of the S Loop appears to be what motivated Ishbia. Maybe he overlooked the impact on attendance from rainy, cold or hot/humid weather in Chicago or perhaps, he just realized that there might not be enough room for a retractable dome on the 78 or the train yard.

No discussion about whether a retractable dome or open-air stadium would be best for the fans or for business....he just keeps on pushing and pushing.

Edited September 3Sep 3 by tray

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Maybe bring Shoeless Joe Jackson back to life while they're at it...

Edited September 3Sep 3 by caulfield12

35 minutes ago, tray said:

If Ishbia could move the stadium without trashing Bridgeport and Armor Park with a massive train yard it might be easier to swallow for those of us opposed to it. Instead he is intent on ramming through a plan that severely diminishes surrounding real estate and business values (without compensation) and the appeal of the larger surrounding areas including IIT, Bronzezille and South Halsted.

There is plenty of real estate between 33rd St and 39th St to build a retractable dome stadium and add bars and restaurants in the adjacent and surrounding area....instead of sh1tcanning the area and with it over 120 years of baseball history. A glorified concept of an open air stadium with a view of the S Loop appears to be what motivated Ishbia. Maybe he overlooked the impact on attendance from rainy, cold or hot/humid weather in Chicago or perhaps, he just realized that there might not be enough room for a retractable dome on the 78 or the train yard.

No discussion about whether a retractable dome or open-air stadium would be best for the fans or for business....he just keeps on pushing and pushing.

I do agree with you here. How is a retractable dome not even in the discussions? How many of our early season games are too damn cold, get rained out, etc.? Hell, the 2009 home opener was even snowed out...

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Edited September 3Sep 3 by WhiteSox2023

10 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

I do agree with you here. How is a retractable dome not even in the discussions? How many of our early season games are too damn cold, get rained out, etc.? Hell, the 2009 home opener was even snowed out...

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Because most don't believe it would fit that 78 property.

Point 2 is it would add approximately $500 million to the project.

Ishbia doesn't exactly have Kroenke or Balmer money at his disposal right now.

7 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

Because most don't believe it would fit that 78 property.

Point 2 is it would add approximately $500 million to the project.

Ishbia doesn't exactly have Kroenke or Balmer money at his disposal right now

A few posters here have had positive things to say about (the 7) retractable major league dome stadiums, and in particular The Rogers Centre and T-Mobile Park. I like both of them.

Yes, there is a large additional cost, but the billionaire/finance guy/ business guru should have no issue figuring that out. Surely the all-year use of a domed stadium for concerts and other events would eventually pay for it. Instead he dives into this plan to relocate a massive train yard to Rate Field. Insist on the hardest path even though it could be the wrong one.

I was disappointed when I did not hear any discussion or consideration of a retractable dome, except here on this forum. Meanwhile, they are sweating at Wrigley Field tonight. Too much rain and heat/humidity this summer/early fall. Dog days.

1 minute ago, tray said:

A few posters here have had positive things to say about (the 7) retractable major league dome stadiums, and in particular The Rogers Centre and T-Mobile Park. I like both of them.

Yes, there is a large additional cost, but the billionaire/finance guy/ business guru should have no issue figuring that out. Surely the all-year use of a domed stadium for concerts and other events would eventually pay for it. Instead he dives into this plan to relocate a massive train yard to Rate Field. Insist on the hardest path even though it could be the wrong one.

I was disappointed when I did not hear any discussion or consideration of a retractable dome, except here on this forum. Meanwhile, they are sweating at Wrigley Field tonight. Too much rain and heat/humidity this summer/early fall. Dog days.

This.

It would definitely be worth the money, and if the 78 couldn’t fit a dome, I would look for a spot that could. But then again, it isn’t my money so that’s easy for me to say.

Edited September 4Sep 4 by WhiteSox2023

2 minutes ago, tray said:

A few posters here have had positive things to say about (the 7) retractable major league dome stadiums, and in particular The Rogers Centre and T-Mobile Park. I like both of them.

Yes, there is a large additional cost, but the billionaire/finance guy/ business guru should have no issue figuring that out. Surely the all-year use of a domed stadium for concerts and other events would eventually pay for it. Instead he dives into this plan to relocate a massive train yard to Rate Field. Insist on the hardest path even though it could be the wrong one.

I was disappointed when I did not hear any discussion or consideration of a retractable dome, except here on this forum. Meanwhile, they are sweating at Wrigley Field tonight. Too much rain and heat/humidity this summer/early fall. Dog days.

Didn't stop PCA!!!

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1 minute ago, caulfield12 said:

Didn't stop PCA!!!

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Hey man, I hate the Cubs and PCA seems like a total douche but at some point you have to respect the baseball talent. #39 tonight? Jeebus.

It’s crazy to think that the Mets traded him for a couple months of the decaying corpse and expiring free agent Hobby Baez. In a few more years, it might be up there among the worst trades in baseball history.

Edited September 4Sep 4 by WhiteSox2023

Man this is Chicago, not Anchorage. Sure there are some crappy days, but not enough to require a dome. That's just weak sauce. Don't get me wrong, there are nice domes, but open air stadiums are just superior. Man up and act like Chicagoans.

44 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

Man this is Chicago, not Anchorage. Sure there are some crappy days, but not enough to require a dome. That's just weak sauce. Don't get me wrong, there are nice domes, but open air stadiums are just superior. Man up and act like Chicagoans.

Nah man, October sub 50 Temps and rain sucks. A World Series game shouldn’t be affected by weather. A retractable dome would be amazing but I doubt they want to spend that dough. I have no doubt you will get your wish and it will be no dome at all

12 hours ago, southsider2k5 said:

Man this is Chicago, not Anchorage. Sure there are some crappy days, but not enough to require a dome. That's just weak sauce. Don't get me wrong, there are nice domes, but open air stadiums are just superior. Man up and act like Chicagoans.

I agree the open-air ball parks are the best. But if we had the terrible summers of Az, Texas, and Florida sign me up for a dome.

12 hours ago, Kyyle23 said:

Nah man, October sub 50 Temps and rain sucks. A World Series game shouldn’t be affected by weather. A retractable dome would be amazing but I doubt they want to spend that dough. I have no doubt you will get your wish and it will be no dome at all

I mean I get the extremes, but also, we are talking about needing a dome for something that happened once in the life of this stadium, and three times in the life of the former one for the weather to be affecting the World Series. There are going to be waaaaaaaaaay more good days and views lost, versus games helped. I would even get the argument if we lived in a more extreme place, but for what you give up, it's not a net gain IMO. I have sat through PLENTY of those horrible weather games in my life, and still wouldn't trade off.

1 minute ago, southsider2k5 said:

I mean I get the extremes, but also, we are talking about needing a dome for something that happened once in the life of this stadium, and three times in the life of the former one for the weather to be affecting the World Series. There are going to be waaaaaaaaaay more good days and views lost, versus games helped. I would even get the argument if we lived in a more extreme place, but for what you give up, it's not a net gain IMO. I have sat through PLENTY of those horrible weather games in my life, and still wouldn't trade off.

Nah we are talking avoiding every rain out and also accommodating the possibility of the World Series being played in the park, and also availing the stadium for events like concerts. It’s not about being tough, it’s just common sense

6 minutes ago, Kyyle23 said:

Nah we are talking avoiding every rain out and also accommodating the possibility of the World Series being played in the park, and also availing the stadium for events like concerts. It’s not about being tough, it’s just common sense

And giving up everything that is great about being in the City of Chicago and spring/summer/fall baseball. I will suffer through a few crappy days for those great days.

44 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

And giving up everything that is great about being in the City of Chicago and spring/summer/fall baseball. I will suffer through a few crappy days for those great days.

Hey man, you go ahead and suffer and be proud lol

1 minute ago, Kyyle23 said:

Hey man, you go ahead and suffer and be proud lol

It isn't about the suffering, it is about what is being given up, at least for me.

This was discussed a while back, but a retractable roof could work IF it was a design that really opened up and felt open air when retracted. If we're talking about something that looks like the ballparks in Arizona and Texas - forget it. To play in something that looks like a warehouse during the 80% of games with good weather isn't worth it for the 20% of bad weather days and we'd end up with the same old conundrum of people complaining that the Sox stadium lacks charm. Houston's opens up to the skyline better, but they almost never open the roof even during early-season 75 degree days for some reason.

In Chicago, the goal would be to provide cover when it rains and at least some relief from the cold during those early season 40 degree days (even if it's not a perfect 72 degrees inside). Perhaps today's stadium architects using cutting-edge design and materials could make that happen in a way that really makes the place look totally open air on beautiful spring/summer days. Of course, any retractable roof would add significantly to the cost of a stadium to the tune of hundreds of millions.

Let's not all pretend that atmosphere, character, and even backdrop do not matter in the post-Camden era. During that time, the only ballpark built with a roof in a northern climate was Milwaukee. Seattle's roof is just to block the rain and the park isn't climate controlled and it really opens nicely. Would PNC Park and Oracle Park be top-rated if they looked like warehouses that only opened up to the sky directly above and blocked any exterior views except for some side panels? I doubt it.

But the idea that Ishbia is the one that keeps pushing and pushing for an open air stadium and refusing to consider a roof when he has, in fact, said nothing at all about stadium design is just more of the same tired-old deranged rambling.

Edited September 4Sep 4 by 77 Hitmen

29 minutes ago, 77 Hitmen said:

But the idea that Ishbia is the one that keeps pushing and pushing for an open air stadium and refusing to consider a roof when he has, in fact, said nothing at all about stadium design is just more of the same tired-old deranged rambling.

Going to quote just this part for emphasis, but the making s%*# up to be mad about is at insane levels in this thread.

I'll also note that, based on some of the posts I've read since the South Loop ballpark was first proposed, White Sox fans apparently will only go to games in large numbers if:

• the team makes the playoffs multiple years in a row

• the temperature is above 50 degrees

• the temperature is lower than 90 degrees

• it's not too humid

• there isn't a threat of rain

• they do not have to use a parking garage

• they do not have to drive more than a couple of blocks off the expressway to get to the parking lot

• they do not have to use public transportation

Geez, we must have one of the most fickle fan bases in the league.

Edited September 4Sep 4 by 77 Hitmen

Just now, 77 Hitmen said:

I'll also note that, based on some of the posts I've read since the South Loop was first proposed, White Sox fans apparently will only go to games in large numbers if:

• the team makes the playoffs multiple years in a row

• the temperature is above 50 degrees

• the temperature is lower than 90 degrees

• it's not too humid

• there isn't a threat of rain

• they do not have to use a parking garage

• they do not have to drive more than a couple of blocks off the expressway to get to the parking lot

• they do not have to use public transportation

Geez, we must have one of the most fickle fan bases in the league.

Dude, how could you leave out BOTH the INGRESS AND the REGRESS?!?!?

2 hours ago, southsider2k5 said:

It isn't about the suffering, it is about what is being given up, at least for me.

I completely agree. PNC Park is always up there as one of the best parks in the league. The views are immaculate from home plate. It's so damn cool looking. They have to deal with s%*# weather there as well. This stadium has the chance to be up there with PNC. Having a retractable dome with really diminish the aesthetics and views. Give me a gorgeous stadium with killer skyline views over a retractable dome.

Minnesota can get away with an open air stadium.

Detroit can get away with open air.

Cleveland can get away with open air.

…but Chicago can’t?

Usability in winter for concerts and things like final four might be the only argument here.

3 minutes ago, ron883 said:

I completely agree. PNC Park is always up there as one of the best parks in the league. The views are immaculate from home plate. It's so damn cool looking. They have to deal with s%*# weather there as well. This stadium has the chance to be up there with PNC. Having a retractable dome with really diminish the aesthetics and views. Give me a gorgeous stadium with killer skyline views over a retractable dome.

Oh s%*#, Ron is on my side? I have to be wrong.

I am switching to Kyyle's side.