1 minute ago, BrittBurnsFan said:

I don't have a subscription...does Chicago mean the city? Or is he lumping AH with Chicago?

It means the city, this is the first two lines of the article

The state of Illinois will leave it up to the Chicago Bears to decide whether to build a stadium in the city or suburbs, but the team will have both options under a proposal being discussed ahead of the upcoming veto session of the General Assembly.

Although the Bears previously said their focus is on Arlington Heights or Hammond, Ind., Gov. JB Pritzker today said the city will be an option. That’s again prompting talks by developers and the city about possible scenarios to keep the team within city limits.

2 minutes ago, Sleepy Harold said:

It means the city, this is the first two lines of the article

Wow...interesting! But also exhausting...get it done one way or the other! (personally much prefer it be in IL)

12 minutes ago, BrittBurnsFan said:

I don't have a subscription...does Chicago mean the city? Or is he lumping AH with Chicago?

He means new legislation being crafted would totally leave it up to the Bears where they want to build. My guess is that the Bears want AH as they own 326 acres there and that's where they'll go, but it won't be the IL General Assembly voting specifically for the AH site.

"The state of Illinois will leave it up to the Chicago Bears to decide whether to build a stadium in the city or suburbs, but the team will have both options under a proposal being discussed ahead of the upcoming veto session of the General Assembly."

2 minutes ago, 77 Hitmen said:

He means new legislation being crafted would totally leave it up to the Bears where they want to build. My guess is that the Bears want AH as they own 326 acres there and that's where they'll go, but it won't be the IL General Assembly voting specifically for the AH site.

"The state of Illinois will leave it up to the Chicago Bears to decide whether to build a stadium in the city or suburbs, but the team will have both options under a proposal being discussed ahead of the upcoming veto session of the General Assembly."

If this vision/version of legislation/discussion seals the deal...I wonder how much or what would be different from what was being discussed the past couple of years??

“There’s a cost of doing nothing, and unfortunately, (in) Chicago we’ve done nothing too often recently,” Ishbia said on stage this morning during a Crain’s event at Allium Events in the Fulton Market District. Referencing the failed effort a decade ago to create the Lucas Museum of Narrative Art on the lakefront and a stymied Chicago Bears push in 2024 for a new downtown stadium, Ishbia warned against vitriolic resistance to “big bets” on the city and encouraged people to consider the value of reinvesting in local rail infrastructure.

“If I lived (near Rate Field), I’d want conversations and want to talk about it, and I think there will be more and more conversation coming,” Ishbia said of the planned Amtrak maintenance facility on an existing rail yard between 33rd and 35th streets. “I think the conversation has gotten to where it’s going and exactly what it is. And the conversation probably should be... about the evolution of maintenance facilities in a downtown Chicago environment.”

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During today’s discussion, moderated by Crain Communications President and CEO KC Crain, Ishbia said residents near Rate Field “have a right to have all of their questions answered, and Amtrak should listen” and tried to cast the project and the Sox’s future at their current home as separate and distinct issues.

some other interesting quotes from the piece

On the prospect of the Sox leaving Rate Field and opportunities to redevelop it

“I would say it’s not a foregone conclusion — the White Sox leaving. That’s a Jerry decision. Period. End of conversation. One day I’ll have a turn, but it’s not today,” Ishbia said of the team’s future at the stadium.

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“If the White Sox decided to leave — that’s a big if, not for sure — how many would love to have roughly 80 acres available for a public conversation about what to make it? Whether it’s residential homes, whether it’s a new sports facility, whether it’s a potential pro sports franchise or a football team, soccer team, or something else. I think the important part of the conversation is what’s next?”

Asked if he has been approached by others about redeveloping Rate Field and its surroundings, Ishbia said “a lot of residential developers” have reached out.

On the prospect of public financing being used to support a new stadium development

“I think it’s incumbent upon somebody who’s gonna be an anchor tenant to build their own home, or build their own facility, whatever they want to build. But I also think it’s appropriate (if you’re building) a major development, you also need roads, bridges, sewers, and other things, and I think it’s appropriate for a community asset to be a community conversation around other things. And so that’s how I think about it. It’s been done before, and we’ve done elsewhere, bridges, roads.... cities have to grow, (and) how things were done in the ’70s, ’80s, and ’90s are different from today.,” he said.

3 minutes ago, Sleepy Harold said:

If you know anything about transportation and rails, Chicago is a MASSIVE bottleneck in national train traffic because the infrastructure hasn't been updated in like a century in some cases. This is moreso on the freight side than the people side, but those both affect each other for sure. I have no idea if THIS particular facility will make much of a difference or not, but this IS a problem.

2 hours ago, Sleepy Harold said:

2 hours ago, Sleepy Harold said:

some other interesting quotes from the piece

He's not wrong. Chicago leaders are casting a $900M federal/private investment in rail infrastructure upgrade....and a proposal to privately-finance a stadium for the Sox as a shady real estate deal. This is all money not coming from state and city taxpayers and yet the city reacts with vitriol because the developer would actually benefit from this.

And yes, Amtrak should be having discussions with residents over their concerns about the new facility. But are they doing anything than just shouting? Amtrak holds all the cards here, is there a more constructive way to engage with them?

Edited 8 hours ago8 hr by 77 Hitmen

2 hours ago, Sleepy Harold said:

some other interesting quotes from the piece

Interesting that he says "a lot of residential developers" have reached out to him about redeveloping the 80 acres that Rate Field sits on. If the Sox move, I doubt that land is just going to remain an empty stadium as Ald. Lee suggests.

I also found this interesting from the article:

“To my knowledge, there’s been no controlling owner, steward of a major league franchise who has ever given the opportunity to the next steward to be involved with the decision making of a a stadium or that process. So, I’m so appreciative of that opportunity,” Ishbia said of his owner-in-waiting arrangement."

Does that mean there's more behind the scenes coordination between Reinsdorf and Ishbia on new stadium planning than is being let on in public?

1 minute ago, 77 Hitmen said:

Interesting that he says "a lot of residential developers" have reached out to him about redeveloping the 80 acres that Rate Field sits on. If the Sox move, I doubt that land is just going to remain an empty stadium as Ald. Lee suggests.

I also found this interesting from the article:

“To my knowledge, there’s been no controlling owner, steward of a major league franchise who has ever given the opportunity to the next steward to be involved with the decision making of a a stadium or that process. So, I’m so appreciative of that opportunity,” Ishbia said of his owner-in-waiting arrangement."

Does that mean there's more behind the scenes coordination between Reinsdorf and Ishbia on new stadium planning than is being let on in public?

The idea that there is NOT is absurd. Granted they have to pretend their isn't for the sake of the tax dodge masquerading as a sale of the team, but there is a reason for Ishbia doing the heavy lifting behind the scenes, and not Jerry anymore.

https://www.mlb.com/news/royals-populous-share-new-downtown-ballpark-design-details

KMBC

Royals stadium project leaders share design updates, new...

Stadium project leaders shared new details about the Royals ballpark project on Thursday, emphasizing the team's goal of community connection and Kansas City authenticity.

Edited 8 hours ago8 hr by 77 Hitmen

1 hour ago, 77 Hitmen said:

https://www.mlb.com/news/royals-populous-share-new-downtown-ballpark-design-details

KMBC

Royals stadium project leaders share design updates, new...

Stadium project leaders shared new details about the Royals ballpark project on Thursday, emphasizing the team's goal of community connection and Kansas City authenticity.

Wow. I was wondering how they’d work around the change in elevation at the Hallmark site. Credit where credit’s due, that looks beautiful.

Yawn.

1 hour ago, 77 Hitmen said:

Interesting that he says "a lot of residential developers" have reached out to him about redeveloping the 80 acres that Rate Field sits on. If the Sox move, I doubt that land is just going to remain an empty stadium as Ald. Lee suggests.

Shoutout to Ishbia for doing the work that Lee should be doing: asking “What comes next?” after the Amtrak maintenance center goes up and the Sox leave Bridgeport.

But to your point, you’re right. That amount of land in that nice of a location is far too valuable to remain vacant. I’m sure nobody in Bridgeport would say no to a large mixed-use housing/retail development.

19 minutes ago, Mouthsider said:

Shoutout to Ishbia for doing the work that Lee should be doing: asking “What comes next?” after the Amtrak maintenance center goes up and the Sox leave Bridgeport.

I am sorry -not sorry to clarify erroneous and biased information from you and 77 sunset strip.

Of course Ishbia does not have control of the White Sox as a minority owner. Further, even if he did, the ISFA (Illinois residents and tax payers) own Rate Field and the surrounding land.

Ishbia commenting about developing land that he is trying to turn into railroad wasteland, is arrogant and I am sure insulting to local residents, businesses,fans, and anyone who knows anything about the scope of what Amtrak intends to put there - over a mile of multiple railroad tracks that inevitably become a railroad graveyard.

Some people including Ishbia who have not traveled around the neighborhood East of Rate Field perhaps think it is a ghetto.

If Ishbia has any sense about urban renewal, he would focus on acquiring the Rate and ISFA property and developing it. Or better yet, buck out of all the contingent deals he has, offer to purchase the Detroit Tigers and move them to a new stadium.

Edited 6 hours ago6 hr by tray

43 minutes ago, tray said:

I am sorry -not sorry to clarify erroneous and biased information from you and 77 sunset strip.

Of course Ishbia does not have control of the White Sox as a minority owner. Further, even if he did, the ISFA (Illinois residents and tax payers) own Rate Field and the surrounding land.

Ishbia commenting about developing land that he is trying to turn into railroad wasteland, is arrogant and I am sure insulting to local residents, businesses,fans, and anyone who knows anything about the scope of what Amtrak intends to put there - over a mile of multiple railroad tracks that inevitably become a railroad graveyard.

Some people including Ishbia who have not traveled around the neighborhood East of Rate Field perhaps think it is a ghetto.

If Ishbia has any sense about urban renewal, he would focus on acquiring the Rate and ISFA property and developing it. Or better yet, buck out of all the contingent deals he has, offer to purchase the Detroit Tigers and move them to a new stadium.

There's nothing wrong with Comerica.

Tigers' attendance has been better than the Sox for the most part over the last twenty plus years.

Even the Royals are moving away from their miles of parking lots to a built in entertainment/shopping district oriented around Crowne Centre.

Edited 5 hours ago5 hr by caulfield12

This news story has some video of Ishbia speaking at the Crain's event today. Also, Ozzie likes him 😄.

ABC7 Chicago

Justin Ishbia says White Sox stadium decision rests with...

Justin Ishbia, the White Sox minority owner who is in line to assume control of the franchise, said current majority owner Jerry Reinsdorf remains responsible for key decisions involving the team, inc

2 hours ago, tray said:

I am sorry -not sorry to clarify erroneous and biased information from you and 77 sunset strip.

Of course Ishbia does not have control of the White Sox as a minority owner. Further, even if he did, the ISFA (Illinois residents and tax payers) own Rate Field and the surrounding land.

Ishbia commenting about developing land that he is trying to turn into railroad wasteland, is arrogant and I am sure insulting to local residents, businesses,fans, and anyone who knows anything about the scope of what Amtrak intends to put there - over a mile of multiple railroad tracks that inevitably become a railroad graveyard.

Some people including Ishbia who have not traveled around the neighborhood East of Rate Field perhaps think it is a ghetto.

If Ishbia has any sense about urban renewal, he would focus on acquiring the Rate and ISFA property and developing it. Or better yet, buck out of all the contingent deals he has, offer to purchase the Detroit Tigers and move them to a new stadium.

Why do insist on post after post of just flat out lying? You should be embarrassed with your behavior on this topic.

3 hours ago, tray said:

I am sorry -not sorry to clarify erroneous and biased information from you and 77 sunset strip.

Of course Ishbia does not have control of the White Sox as a minority owner. Further, even if he did, the ISFA (Illinois residents and tax payers) own Rate Field and the surrounding land.

Ishbia commenting about developing land that he is trying to turn into railroad wasteland, is arrogant and I am sure insulting to local residents, businesses,fans, and anyone who knows anything about the scope of what Amtrak intends to put there - over a mile of multiple railroad tracks that inevitably become a railroad graveyard.

Some people including Ishbia who have not traveled around the neighborhood East of Rate Field perhaps think it is a ghetto.

If Ishbia has any sense about urban renewal, he would focus on acquiring the Rate and ISFA property and developing it. Or better yet, buck out of all the contingent deals he has, offer to purchase the Detroit Tigers and move them to a new stadium.

MLB baseball is a business. Ishbia isn’t stupid and knows that a new stadium automatically brings the fans to the park initially. The urban renewal will go along with where the new ballpark is located, because it will be the hot new place to be. But the team will still have to win, as the new ballpark vibes will wear off quickly.

But that’s why I do think Ishbia will spend, and much more then Jerry ever did. Ishbia isn’t stupid. This isn’t his first rodeo, and he had concessions prices for Phoenix Suns games way lower than what I have paid at Bulls and Sox games.

Basically, I really can’t see how Ishbia could do worse than one of the worst owners in MLB and NBA history outside of lucking into Jordan and one fluky baseball season.

Edited 2 hours ago2 hr by WhiteSox2023

11 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

MLB baseball is a business. Ishbia isn’t stupid and knows that a new stadium automatically brings the fans to the park initially. The urban renewal will go along with where the new ballpark is located, because it will be the hot new place to be. But the team will also have to win, as the new ballpark vibes will wear off quickly.

But that’s why I do think he will spend, and much more then Jerry ever did. Ishbia isn’t stupid. This isn’t his first rodeo, and he had concessions prices for Phoenix Suns games way lower than what I have paid at Bulls and Sox games.

Basically, I really can’t see how Ishbia could do worse than one of the worst owners in MLB and NBA history outside of lucking into Jordan and one fluky baseball season.

his brother did that in Phoenix

2 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

his brother did that in Phoenix

They are all intertwined on investments. You realize this, right? A decision by one Ishbia is one and the same as all of their decisions — Father, Son, and Son. Don’t be a clueless cuck from Chy-Nuh all your life…

Edited 2 hours ago2 hr by WhiteSox2023

3 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

They are all intertwined on investments. You realize this, right? A decision by one Ishbia is one and the same as all of their decisions — Father, Son, and Son.

has that been true of Tigers' spending after Ilich Sr. died?

Lakers/Buss younger siblings?

Yankees/Steinbrenner family?

We do know that Justin is much much smarter about investing than Mat.

And much more well diversified.

Less than 10% exposure to UWM/mortgage company

He's going to be his own man...regardless.

Edited 2 hours ago2 hr by caulfield12

4 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

has that been true of Tigers' spending after Ilich Sr. died?

Lakers/Buss younger siblings?

Yankees/Steinbrenner family?

We do know that Justin is much much smarter about investing than Mat.

And much more well diversified.

Less than 10% exposure to UWM/mortgage company

He's going to be his own man...regardless.

Bwahahaha, yes both brothers will be their own men and completely ignore their father’s advice or each others’ when all three are invested in the same entities. Comparing a dead owner to his inheriting parties doesn’t work in this scenario. They will all collaborate and decide on what is in their mutual best interests to make money. The team winning is a part of that.

Edited 2 hours ago2 hr by WhiteSox2023

7 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

Bwahahaha, yes both brothers will be their own men and completely ignore their father’s advice or each others’ when all three are invested in the same entities. Comparing a dead owner to his inheriting parties doesn’t work in this scenario. They will all collaborate and decide on what is in their mutual best interests to make money. The team winning is a part of that.

Where is your factual backup for their being anything more than a 10-15% over lap?

This is not JR and Sons here.

There really wasn't as much of a connection until recently when Justin backstopped his brother's company (UWM) as it was completely nosediving.

Edited 2 hours ago2 hr by caulfield12

2 hours ago, southsider2k5 said:

Why do insist on post after post of just flat out lying? You should be embarrassed with your behavior on this topic.

Please don't try to make these issues personal and direct your ire toward me. At least understand that this is not all about you or me.

Lies? The facts, as stated are that Ishbia does not own a majority interest in the White Sox and even if/when he would, the White Sox do not own Rate Field or the parking lots. Not sure why Ishbia would now claim that HE has been approached by developers. It seems like a self-serving statement without any sources to back him up or any way to contradict him - very trumpian as we have come to know. Yea, we have a deal...