June 17, 2025Jun 17 1 hour ago, WestEddy said: Yeah, I've got better things to do than research some "gotcha" question you just threw at me. Very recently, Kris Bryant played all over the diamond, along with Zobrist. Pete Rose did it back in the day. I suppose they don't count because .... reasons. LOL. Carrying the offense? Hyperbole much? Devers is 2nd on his team in offensive bWAR behind Bregman, and Narvaez and Duran aren't far behind. Yes, Devers is a crybaby, and a clubhouse cancer. It's not like the Red Sox talked to one team and traded him. That paltry return is what he's worth. The Giants just picked up a hitter who knew he was bad defensively, did nothing about it, then basically went crying to TMZ when they asked him to DH, then play 1B in an emergency situation. If Devers was the DH during the Marathon bombing, he probably would have used the "it's our fucking city" opportunity to say, "It's my fucking DH position!!" Ben Zobrist was a utility guy who's value was tied to his versatility. Bryant wanted to play everywhere. It's not a gotcha question, it's an observation. Devers is fourth in baseball for the highest % of team runs scored in baseball. He's accounted for 87 of Boston's 355 runs scored (25%). That's called carrying an offense. Bregman is out for 2 months. Navarez and Duran have accounted for 117 runs between them. No one ever called him a cancer or anything negative before the Red Sox bashed him this year and put him in an impossible situation. Just last week you were talking about how you really only follow the White Sox. Now you're an expert on Devers clubhouse impact over the last 8 years. Fascinating stuff. He was such a cancer that they gave him 300+ million 18 months ago. Edited June 17, 2025Jun 17 by Look at Ray Ray Run
June 17, 2025Jun 17 1 hour ago, WestEddy said: And I didn't get seethingly angry over Frank Thomas getting asked to DH. I think it's reasonable for a team to ask a player who isn't good defensively at his position to move to an easier position, or DH. I also think it's reasonable for a player to push back because Frank reasoned that being on the field kept his head in the game better. I could be misremembering, but I didn't feel Frank caused a huge rift over answering questions in interviews where he stated a preference for playing 1B while he was actually DHing. When a player starts arguing about being lied to, or whatnot, I also don't think it's unreasonable for fans to get tired of high-paid athletes complaining about the kind of things we all deal with on a daily basis for a lot less money. I also don't think it's unreasonable for anyone to side with the player. That doesn't preclude me from having an opinion. If you don't want to be lied to at work, and you want to be treated with respect and honesty, then you should want that for all workers. Even those who make more money than you. Your envy and jealousy doesn't mean he should deal with BS at work that you don't want to deal with In fact, while trickle down economics is pure BS, workers rights have trickled down throughout history. You have the mindset that if it's miserable for me then it should be for you too. Frank also wasn't told he would be the 1st baseman by the GM and the coach, only for the Sox to sign a first basemen in free agency. He also wasn't then told he'd ONLY have to move to DH and this would be his new position for good, only for them to ask him to switch again two months later. You do that to players fighting to stay in the big leagues, not to the anchors of your lineup. Edited June 17, 2025Jun 17 by Look at Ray Ray Run
June 17, 2025Jun 17 26 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: Ben Zobrist was a utility guy who's value was tied to his versatility. Bryant wanted to play everywhere. It's not a gotcha question, it's an observation. Devers is fourth in baseball for the highest % of team runs scored in baseball. He's accounted for 87 of Boston's 355 runs scored (25%). That's called carrying an offense. Bregman is out for 2 months. Navarez and Duran have accounted for 117 runs between them. No one ever called him a cancer or anything negative before the Red Sox bashed him this year and put him in an impossible situation. Just last week you were talking about how you really only follow the White Sox. Now you're an expert on Devers clubhouse impact over the last 8 years. Fascinating stuff. He was such a cancer that they gave him 300+ million 18 months ago. And Milton Bradley made close to $50M over 12 years of head case. Saying you follow every single baseball team doesn't make your wild arguments any less .... wild. LOL.
June 17, 2025Jun 17 21 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: If you don't want to be lied to at work, and you want to be treated with respect and honesty, then you should want that for all workers. Even those who make more money than you. Your envy and jealousy doesn't mean he should deal with BS at work that you don't want to deal with In fact, while trickle down economics is pure BS, workers rights have trickled down throughout history. You have the mindset that if it's miserable for me then it should be for you too. Frank also wasn't told he would be the 1st baseman by the GM and the coach, only for the Sox to sign a first basemen in free agency. He also wasn't then told he'd ONLY have to move to DH and this would be his new position for good, only for them to ask him to switch again two months later. You do that to players fighting to stay in the big leagues, not to the anchors of your lineup. At this point, you're just arguing with every sentence I write. You're paying way too much attention to me. LOL. This will be my last reply to you, but I never said lying to people is good, or I'm jealous. Lying is a part of life. If you work a job, you're either lied to, or things switch up where you can claim to be lied to. And if I'm doing my job, I'm generally cautious about a co-worker telling me about how they were lied to. Everybody's got their own drama. You should probably have learned that by now. Edited June 17, 2025Jun 17 by WestEddy
June 17, 2025Jun 17 On 6/16/2025 at 10:18 AM, FloydBannister1983 said: You know the sports business is different now than it was 50 years ago, don't you? This reply would be more suited for Reinsdorf
June 17, 2025Jun 17 1 hour ago, Lip Man 1 said: Very true. Him not being willing to move to DH cost the Sox signing Mark McGuire according to Jack McDowell. Eventually he did of course when he started to have some injuries. I could certainly see Thomas not wanting to accommodate McGwire given what we all know now to be true about McGwire.
June 17, 2025Jun 17 2 hours ago, WestEddy said: I could certainly see Thomas not wanting to accommodate McGwire given what we all know now to be true about McGwire. At the time though (before the 92 season) that wasn't known. Here is what Jack told me: ML: I’m not trying to place blame here, but the Sox as good as they were, always seemed to be one piece short, whether it was another starter or another big bat to go with Thomas and Ventura. Do you think the organization did everything they could to get to a World Series? JMD: "That’s tough to say. I know that Mark McGwire wanted to come here. He called me three times in about a 10 day period after the 1991 season. He asked me about the other guys in the clubhouse, about the coaching staff and about the city of Chicago. I honestly felt we were going to get him. I called Robin (Ventura) to let him know what was going on and I remember he was excited. He told me “alright...we’re going to kick ass.” The Sox then asked Frank (Thomas) if he’d go to DH full time so that Mark could play first and he said no.” “One time I was talking with Jerry Reinsdorf and he told me the reason the Sox wouldn’t go out and sign any big name, big money free agents is because they were concerned about how I’d react to it. We had those contract issues all those years and they thought I’d get angry over it. I looked at him and said it wouldn’t bother me, especially if I was looking at my World Series ring! All I ever wanted to do was win, I didn’t care how much somebody else made."
June 18, 2025Jun 18 Author From what I've been reading the fans in Boston aren't too happy with the Devers trade. It was bad enough he was traded they received nothing in return for him. Looks like a complete salary dump.
June 18, 2025Jun 18 10 minutes ago, WBWSF said: From what I've been reading the fans in Boston aren't too happy with the Devers trade. It was bad enough he was traded they received nothing in return for him. Looks like a complete salary dump. Yes, I know. You said the exact same thing yesterday in this thread at 8:38 am
June 18, 2025Jun 18 Author If Devers would have been traded to the White Sox imagine the positive reaction that would have occured. It would have showed that there is some hope instead of this hopelessness. Some people think the Rockies are going to break the White Sox losing record. From what I'm beginning to see this White Sox team might lose more games than the Rockies this year. And the people who run this organization are fine with it.
June 18, 2025Jun 18 17 minutes ago, WBWSF said: If Devers would have been traded to the White Sox imagine the positive reaction that would have occured. It would have showed that there is some hope instead of this hopelessness. Some people think the Rockies are going to break the White Sox losing record. From what I'm beginning to see this White Sox team might lose more games than the Rockies this year. And the people who run this organization are fine with it. I would have loved it but yeah, was never going to happen.
June 18, 2025Jun 18 If only we had 3 more victories in a lost season, and traded away all of our prospects worth anything and then spent a quarter of our payroll for a guy who is merely ok at 3rd. If only
June 18, 2025Jun 18 Author 15 minutes ago, Kyyle23 said: If only we had 3 more victories in a lost season, and traded away all of our prospects worth anything and then spent a quarter of our payroll for a guy who is merely ok at 3rd. If only The Giants gave up next to nothing for Devers. I would think most White Sox would welcome trading nothing and receiving Devers. Just think the team could have had one of the best hitters in MLB for nothing. I've mentioned how the Boston fans are upset about the trade. They're really upset that they received nothing for Devers. Edited June 18, 2025Jun 18 by WBWSF
June 18, 2025Jun 18 25 minutes ago, WBWSF said: If Devers would have been traded to the White Sox imagine the positive reaction that would have occured. It would have showed that there is some hope instead of this hopelessness. Some people think the Rockies are going to break the White Sox losing record. From what I'm beginning to see this White Sox team might lose more games than the Rockies this year. And the people who run this organization are fine with it. The Sox are losing money hand over fist and are much more worried about capital projects versus getting a few more people to game this year. Do me a favor. Forget about 2025 and 2026 as competitive seasons. It isn't going to happen. Give it up. There isn't going to spending. There isn't going to be additions. There isn't going to be hope. The Empire isn't striking back until after a CBA and/or a stadium announcement, and that is at the very least.
June 18, 2025Jun 18 14 minutes ago, WBWSF said: The Giants gave up next to nothing for Devers. I would think most White Sox would welcome trading nothing and receiving Devers. Just think the team could have had one of the best hitters in MLB for nothing. I've mentioned how the Boston fans are upset about the trade. They're really upset that they received nothing for Devers. The Giants are in second place in the division and the first wild card team in. Their situation is not the white sox. Who the f*** cares about what Boston fans think about their return? How does that impact anything here? I know you feel that Devers would have made this team a 100 game winner in no time, but there is little evidence to support your theory
June 18, 2025Jun 18 Author 16 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: The Sox are losing money hand over fist and are much more worried about capital projects versus getting a few more people to game this year. Do me a favor. Forget about 2025 and 2026 as competitive seasons. It isn't going to happen. Give it up. There isn't going to spending. There isn't going to be additions. There isn't going to be hope. The Empire isn't striking back until after a CBA and/or a stadium announcement, and that is at the very least. If you believe the White Sox are losing money you believe in the Easter Bunny. If the team was losing money JR would sell the team and run for his life and be long gone.
June 18, 2025Jun 18 8 minutes ago, WBWSF said: If you believe the White Sox are losing money you believe in the Easter Bunny. If the team was losing money JR would sell the team and run for his life and be long gone. He quite literally just agreed to sell the team and it was disclosed that they are taking out loans for covering operating costs. You don't take out operations loans if you aren't losing money.
June 18, 2025Jun 18 26 minutes ago, WBWSF said: The Giants gave up next to nothing for Devers. I would think most White Sox would welcome trading nothing and receiving Devers. Just think the team could have had one of the best hitters in MLB for nothing. I've mentioned how the Boston fans are upset about the trade. They're really upset that they received nothing for Devers. Kyle Harrison is gonna be a stud.
June 18, 2025Jun 18 1 hour ago, WBWSF said: If Devers would have been traded to the White Sox imagine the positive reaction that would have occured. It would have showed that there is some hope instead of this hopelessness. Some people think the Rockies are going to break the White Sox losing record. From what I'm beginning to see this White Sox team might lose more games than the Rockies this year. And the people who run this organization are fine with it. I don't think so. He's a DH. I look at it is future trade pieces Will have that Sox stink on him to ruin the future trade value. I don't see anythi8ng positive and neither would Devers. Do you think those bargain basement veterans want to finish their season here? This is one of baseball's hell.
June 18, 2025Jun 18 1 hour ago, southsider2k5 said: He quite literally just agreed to sell the team and it was disclosed that they are taking out loans for covering operating costs. You don't take out operations loans if you aren't losing money. Many companies do. They don't drain their cash reserves.
June 18, 2025Jun 18 11 minutes ago, kitekrazy said: Many companies do. They don't drain their cash reserves. So what are the spending operations money on if it isn't a plug a hole in operations?
June 18, 2025Jun 18 Author 2 hours ago, southsider2k5 said: He quite literally just agreed to sell the team and it was disclosed that they are taking out loans for covering operating costs. You don't take out operations loans if you aren't losing money. If he 's taking out loans to cover operating costs, maybe he'll be forced to sell the team. Wouldn't that be a shame?
June 18, 2025Jun 18 13 minutes ago, WBWSF said: If he 's taking out loans to cover operating costs, maybe he'll be forced to sell the team. Wouldn't that be a shame? The reality is owners never open their books. So I don't trust them crying poor or claiming wealth.
June 18, 2025Jun 18 42 minutes ago, WBWSF said: If he 's taking out loans to cover operating costs, maybe he'll be forced to sell the team. Wouldn't that be a shame? HE LITERALLY JUST SIGNED AN AGREEMENT TO DO SO
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