poppysox Posted July 21 Share Posted July 21 1 hour ago, southsider2k5 said: Which is why Robert wouldn't take it. It costs absolutely nothing to ask. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted July 21 Share Posted July 21 10 minutes ago, poppysox said: It costs absolutely nothing to ask. Robert hangs up and says: “are they fuckin serious?” 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted July 21 Author Share Posted July 21 12 minutes ago, poppysox said: Nothing about it is confusing. Robert can accept a new offer if he chooses. The WS can choose to make an offer...pick up the 20 M option to retain his services, or buy him out for the 2 M option, or trade him to any interested party. I suggest we make a reasonable offer (4 years at 10M). If he doesn't accept the new contract proposal...trade him for the best offer. 4/40 isn't a reasonable offer for either party and multiple people here have explained why. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted July 21 Author Share Posted July 21 14 minutes ago, poppysox said: It costs absolutely nothing to ask. It actually does. Credibility is a commodity. If you walked into a new car dealership and offered $10k for that $55k list price pickup truck, you'd have a hard time getting a salesperson's attention after that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppysox Posted July 21 Share Posted July 21 22 minutes ago, WestEddy said: It actually does. Credibility is a commodity. If you walked into a new car dealership and offered $10k for that $55k list price pickup truck, you'd have a hard time getting a salesperson's attention after that. I think 40 million is a little better than your example. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppysox Posted July 21 Share Posted July 21 25 minutes ago, WestEddy said: 4/40 isn't a reasonable offer for either party and multiple people here have explained why. Multiple people here have explained he is worthless. Maybe something in the middle is more accurate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted July 21 Share Posted July 21 13 minutes ago, poppysox said: Multiple people here have explained he is worthless. Maybe something in the middle is more accurate. He’s better off taking a 1-year, at least $10M offer somewhere and proving he’s the guy that people think he can be to try to get a better multi-year deal than you tossed out. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppysox Posted July 21 Share Posted July 21 36 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said: There’s just no reason for him to accept that. If a team buys out his option next year, he’ll sign a 1-year pillow deal to rebuild value. Plus like I said, I doubt he really wants to be here anymore. I doubt you or I know where he wants to be. He looked very happy trading high 5's with his teammates before last night's game. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted July 21 Share Posted July 21 10 minutes ago, poppysox said: I doubt you or I know where he wants to be. He looked very happy trading high 5's with his teammates before last night's game. You’re right. Who wouldn’t want to play for a team heading to their 3rd straight 100-loss season instead of a perennial contender! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppysox Posted July 21 Share Posted July 21 10 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said: He’s better off taking a 1-year, at least $10M offer somewhere and proving he’s the guy that people think he can be to try to get a better multi-year deal than you tossed out. You are suggesting he is willing to bet on himself, which, of course, is possible. He might also have seen the Tim Anderson career implosion. Let's not act like the 40 million offer I suggest isn't a lot of money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppysox Posted July 21 Share Posted July 21 11 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said: You’re right. Who wouldn’t want to play for a team heading to their 3rd straight 100-loss season instead of a perennial contender! I didn't say I was right. I said neither you or I know what he's thinking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tnetennba Posted July 21 Share Posted July 21 1 hour ago, poppysox said: Nothing about it is confusing. Robert can accept a new offer if he chooses. The WS can choose to make an offer...pick up the 20 M option to retain his services, or buy him out for the 2 M option, or trade him to any interested party. I suggest we make a reasonable offer (4 years at 10M). If he doesn't accept the new contract proposal...trade him for the best offer. 4/40 isn’t a reasonable offer. Period. He and Boras laugh at that and take their chances in FA. This shouldn’t be hard to understand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tnetennba Posted July 21 Share Posted July 21 45 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said: You’re right. Who wouldn’t want to play for a team heading to their 3rd straight 100-loss season instead of a perennial contender! While locked into a multi year deal at well below what he’s worth with any sort of rebound. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppysox Posted July 21 Share Posted July 21 21 minutes ago, Tnetennba said: 4/40 isn’t a reasonable offer. Period. He and Boras laugh at that and take their chances in FA. This shouldn’t be hard to understand. What I do understand is if I used 20 M per year X 4 years you would claim that I was grossly overvaluing his worth. Why don't you state his value as you see it and save everybody a lot of time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted July 22 Author Share Posted July 22 18 minutes ago, poppysox said: What I do understand is if I used 20 M per year X 4 years you would claim that I was grossly overvaluing his worth. Why don't you state his value as you see it and save everybody a lot of time. I see Robert's value as one year at somewhere between $5 and $10 because his career has fallen off the table, and he has to rebuild his value. Were he to hit the market after a healthy 3+ bWAR 2026 season, he could certainly get Anthony Santander's 5/92.5 (Santander had a QO penalty attached). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted July 22 Share Posted July 22 37 minutes ago, poppysox said: What I do understand is if I used 20 M per year X 4 years you would claim that I was grossly overvaluing his worth. Why don't you state his value as you see it and save everybody a lot of time. That would be an overpay, yes. And Robert would see 4/$40M as an underpay and want to prove he can do better. I really don’t know how you aren’t grasping this and it’s on you at this point. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted July 22 Author Share Posted July 22 23 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said: That would be an overpay, yes. And Robert would see 4/$40M as an underpay and want to prove he can do better. I really don’t know how you aren’t grasping this and it’s on you at this point. If that was the offer (4/40), I could see Boras taking it with player opt-outs after every year. That does nothing for the team. If he's opting in after the first year, something has gone horribly wrong. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppysox Posted July 22 Share Posted July 22 31 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said: That would be an overpay, yes. And Robert would see 4/$40M as an underpay and want to prove he can do better. I really don’t know how you aren’t grasping this and it’s on you at this point. I grasp it just fine. We simply disagree on how the club should proceed. I obviously think Robert has more value to the WS than some of you. If they don't offer him an extension and if no deal transpires...give the man his 2 M buyout and wait to see how that works out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtySox Posted July 22 Share Posted July 22 Not that the White Sox are swimming in high value assets or anything, but just a reminder that zero top 100 prospects were moved at last season's trade deadline. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted July 22 Share Posted July 22 Here are my odds of players being traded: Robert = -9900 Houser = -9900 Slater = -400 Tauchman = -300 Wilson = -150 Taylor = +100 Alexander =+200 Eisert = +350 Civale = +500 Gilbert = +700 Lee = +800 Martin = +900 Sosa = +1200 Rojas = +1900 Altavilla = +5000 Benintendi = +9900 Definitely seems like 5 to 7 is possible and I wouldn’t completely rule out one surprise player (Lee, Martin, or Sosa) being traded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted July 22 Author Share Posted July 22 18 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: Here are my odds of players being traded: Robert = -9900 Houser = -9900 Slater = -400 Tauchman = -300 Wilson = -150 Taylor = +100 Alexander =+200 Eisert = +350 Civale = +500 Gilbert = +700 Lee = +800 Martin = +900 Sosa = +1200 Rojas = +1900 Altavilla = +5000 Benintendi = +9900 Definitely seems like 5 to 7 is possible and I wouldn’t completely rule out one surprise player (Lee, Martin, or Sosa) being traded. Why so down on Altavilla? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted July 22 Share Posted July 22 10 minutes ago, WestEddy said: Why so down on Altavilla? Ugly looking peripherals at the moment and I think there too many other arms in front of him to warrant much discussion with opposing teams. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted July 22 Share Posted July 22 29 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: Ugly looking peripherals at the moment and I think there too many other arms in front of him to warrant much discussion with opposing teams. He’s very likely gonna be traded but for someone we won’t hear from 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tnetennba Posted July 22 Share Posted July 22 2 hours ago, poppysox said: What I do understand is if I used 20 M per year X 4 years you would claim that I was grossly overvaluing his worth. Why don't you state his value as you see it and save everybody a lot of time. Yeah, you purporting such doesn't make this true. I have never claimed anyone was overvaluing Robert. It wouldn't take much of a rebound for Robert to be worth his $20M option IMO. Him taking a $10M AAV contract running through his age 32 season is a fairly absurd assertion. If he were to rebound to a league average bat, I think he would be worth a $4/80M gamble for a contender not worried about pinching pennies. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tnetennba Posted July 22 Share Posted July 22 1 hour ago, DirtySox said: Not that the White Sox are swimming in high value assets or anything, but just a reminder that zero top 100 prospects were moved at last season's trade deadline. Which makes offering a bag of balls for the Sox fodder barely worth the effort to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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