40 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

Dude's from Gary, IN. I'm sure he shops at "the Jewels".

Yeah, they are total Region Rats.

9 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

I think Vargas has a higher ceiling as a hitter than Sosa. Even when slumping, Vargas draws walks. Sosa is a shortstop who has ratcheted down the ladder to 1B/DH, which is fine, if he hits. 

I don't advocate "dumping" Sosa. I believe the Mets mentioned him as a sweetener for Robert (maybe to get close to Getz' desired package), so there is interest. Sosa would be an offensive upgrade for a good 3-5 teams in playoff races. 

But looking at our drafting for the last few years, middle infield is going to be a strength, soon. While Bergolla and Gonzalez look like utility guys as soon as next year, Antonacci, Perez and Bonemer (maybe even Lodise and Shelton) are going to be crowding him out in a couple years. 

I've expressed that Sosa could very well be a league average place holder for 3 seasons while those guys develop. 

Well I think Lenyn is very much not pigeon-holed into being at 1B/DH although I agree that he's unlikely to have the mobility for even marginal SS defense anymore. There's definitely some lid on Lenyn's potential because of his approach...he'll never run a high OBP even if he's hitting really well. Think Tim Anderson at his peak running high averages but never walking. In that respect Vargas has a higher ceiling because he takes great at bats. That said, I don't really want to use "Miguel Vargas" and "high ceiling" in the same sentence either (I say this as a Vargas fan). I hope the Sox just assemble a critical mass of MLB-quality players and work out the particulars later.

I do have a hunch that Getz may have a pretty specific vision of the kind of player he wants on his team and Lenyn Sosa doesn't fit it. My opinion is you shouldn't let that get in the way of fielding the best team you can, especially given that Getz has already remade the team/organization to not be full of guys who swing at everything anymore. But if Lenyn gets moved, there's no doubt in my mind that it would reflect Getz becoming dogmatic about the archetype of hitter he wants on his team.

As a sweetener in a LouBob deal, I think it's a little crazy. By any sort of cost:benefit model Lenyn should be way more valuable than LouBob on the trade market. LouBob is the Lenyn sweetener!

This is a nice start from Civale, so far.

Cruz is brutal out there

Hmm. I think i saw something about the Sox would be the first team to have three consecutive 10 run games in MLB history? That would be fun.

The pirates outfield looks like the bad news bears

Cruz is hilarious out there. Good lord.

Cruz is a real idiot out there.

He’s going to get seriously injured out there

11 minutes ago, DirtySox said:

Hmm. I think i saw something about the Sox would be the first team to have three consecutive 10 run games in MLB history? That would be fun.

It's not common but it's been done. I think they'd join like 3-4 other clubs in history.

11 minutes ago, DirtySox said:

Hmm. I think i saw something about the Sox would be the first team to have three consecutive 10 run games in MLB history? That would be fun.

Not true, Yankees had 5 once

12 minutes ago, DirtySox said:

Hmm. I think i saw something about the Sox would be the first team to have three consecutive 10 run games in MLB history? That would be fun.

It was first team this year.

9 minutes ago, chitownsportsfan said:

It's not common but it's been done. I think they'd join like 3-4 other clubs in history.

Yea it would be the first time this season for a team. Drastic difference.

23 minutes ago, Jake said:

Well I think Lenyn is very much not pigeon-holed into being at 1B/DH although I agree that he's unlikely to have the mobility for even marginal SS defense anymore. There's definitely some lid on Lenyn's potential because of his approach...he'll never run a high OBP even if he's hitting really well. Think Tim Anderson at his peak running high averages but never walking. In that respect Vargas has a higher ceiling because he takes great at bats. That said, I don't really want to use "Miguel Vargas" and "high ceiling" in the same sentence either (I say this as a Vargas fan). I hope the Sox just assemble a critical mass of MLB-quality players and work out the particulars later.

I do have a hunch that Getz may have a pretty specific vision of the kind of player he wants on his team and Lenyn Sosa doesn't fit it. My opinion is you shouldn't let that get in the way of fielding the best team you can, especially given that Getz has already remade the team/organization to not be full of guys who swing at everything anymore. But if Lenyn gets moved, there's no doubt in my mind that it would reflect Getz becoming dogmatic about the archetype of hitter he wants on his team.

As a sweetener in a LouBob deal, I think it's a little crazy. By any sort of cost:benefit model Lenyn should be way more valuable than LouBob on the trade market. LouBob is the Lenyn sweetener!

1) I guess I meant that of the guys who will be available to play 2nd base next spring, Sosa would be the worst, defensively. 
2) That was probably a gross over-ask by the Mets, just to move a convo along. It does say to me that Sosa is on other teams' radar, now. 

damn colson was geared up and hit that 400 feet a mile foul.

10 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

1) I guess I meant that of the guys who will be available to play 2nd base next spring, Sosa would be the worst, defensively. 
2) That was probably a gross over-ask by the Mets, just to move a convo along. It does say to me that Sosa is on other teams' radar, now. 

Or a false rumor 

Yuck that was nasty. Colson had no chance

15 minutes ago, fathom said:

He’s going to get seriously injured out there

Dare I say it, Cruz looks as goofy as Eloy playing outfield. 

10 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

Dare I say it, Cruz looks as goofy as Eloy playing outfield. 

Your not totally wrong

Quero doesn't seem very good at framing, we don't seem to teach it well.

31 minutes ago, Jake said:

Well I think Lenyn is very much not pigeon-holed into being at 1B/DH although I agree that he's unlikely to have the mobility for even marginal SS defense anymore. There's definitely some lid on Lenyn's potential because of his approach...he'll never run a high OBP even if he's hitting really well. Think Tim Anderson at his peak running high averages but never walking. In that respect Vargas has a higher ceiling because he takes great at bats. That said, I don't really want to use "Miguel Vargas" and "high ceiling" in the same sentence either (I say this as a Vargas fan). I hope the Sox just assemble a critical mass of MLB-quality players and work out the particulars later.

I do have a hunch that Getz may have a pretty specific vision of the kind of player he wants on his team and Lenyn Sosa doesn't fit it. My opinion is you shouldn't let that get in the way of fielding the best team you can, especially given that Getz has already remade the team/organization to not be full of guys who swing at everything anymore. But if Lenyn gets moved, there's no doubt in my mind that it would reflect Getz becoming dogmatic about the archetype of hitter he wants on his team.

As a sweetener in a LouBob deal, I think it's a little crazy. By any sort of cost:benefit model Lenyn should be way more valuable than LouBob on the trade market. LouBob is the Lenyn sweetener!

I don’t think anyone wants to trade Lenyn unless he returns some real and can address a different position of need.

Wow, nasty pitch from Civale.

Surprised to see Oneil Cruz gets above-average marks from the defensive metrics. Speed is a hell of a weapon for an outfielder. But it won't help if he kills himself out there.

Colson might be the rare athlete not even the Sox' defensive shenangins can screw up.

Colson looks like he's been playing 3B his whole life