Sambuca Posted September 14 Share Posted September 14 What exactly is going on with him? Is his arm okay? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted September 14 Share Posted September 14 21 minutes ago, Sambuca said: What exactly is going on with him? Is his arm okay? Yes. Patellar tedinopathy in his knee. Shutting him down for the season to let it heal and rehab. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sambuca Posted September 14 Author Share Posted September 14 2 minutes ago, ptatc said: Yes. Patellar tedinopathy in his knee. Shutting him down for the season to let it heal and rehab. Got it. Thank you. Does that also explain any of his dramatic drop off in results this season? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted September 14 Share Posted September 14 10 hours ago, Sambuca said: Got it. Thank you. Does that also explain any of his dramatic drop off in results this season? Possible, if it was bothering him for a while. Legs and the transfer of kinetic energy up the chain drives everything. But no more than 4-6 weeks back. If it was longer than that they most likely would have given him a longer time off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted September 14 Share Posted September 14 1 hour ago, ptatc said: Possible, if it was bothering him for a while. Legs and the transfer of kinetic energy up the chain drives everything. But no more than 4-6 weeks back. If it was longer than that they most likely would have given him a longer time off. Yeah on the prospects show, it doesn’t seem like it was lingering prior to July Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sambuca Posted September 14 Author Share Posted September 14 Thank you, both. I’m having a hard time believing his control fell off a cliff without some kind of arm issues. 2024 AA: 4.29 SO/BB 2025 AA: 1.61 SO/BB Not normal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted September 14 Share Posted September 14 35 minutes ago, Sambuca said: Thank you, both. I’m having a hard time believing his control fell off a cliff without some kind of arm issues. 2024 AA: 4.29 SO/BB 2025 AA: 1.61 SO/BB Not normal. He lost all feel for his slider in games I watched Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbydanks Posted September 14 Share Posted September 14 Seemed like a couple bad actual starts cascaded into playing injured starts. Im not overly worried but i am a bit because that's something that will go with his style and territory Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sambuca Posted September 14 Author Share Posted September 14 4 hours ago, fathom said: He lost all feel for his slider in games I watched That makes sense, but velocity and spin rates haven’t dropped? His numbers were so polished last year. I was only worried about him building up his innings this year. Appreciate the info! This kind of info is hard to find without asking someone! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted September 14 Share Posted September 14 Not gonna lie, I spent a lot of timing downplaying his season as a result of being pushed harder than he has ever been pushed before, and it isn't hard to imagine the knee problems being a result of that. It's tough to adjust from being a glorified long reliever to pushed out as a real starter if you have never done it before. I am not surprised this year was a struggle. I will look a little harder at the panic button if this carries into 26, but I am currently less worried about Dutch than I am Smith. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbydanks Posted September 15 Share Posted September 15 I i wouldn't be surprised if the knee problems become a bigger issue than the arm ones Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted September 15 Share Posted September 15 12 hours ago, bobbydanks said: I i wouldn't be surprised if the knee problems become a bigger issue than the arm ones Patelar Tendonitus isn't a big deal unless it's chronic and even then MJ played through it most of his career. There's things he can adjust training wise to get the same benefits muscle wise with less stress on his patella tendons. I'm sure the staff has an adjusted plan for him this offseason. Some guys just don't react well to putting on a lot of mass and it takes time, others take to it easily like Vargas. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nrockway Posted September 15 Share Posted September 15 Tbh he looked good his last two starts after he came back from the same injury. The velocity is there. His slider looks a little out of wack. He doesn’t throw a cutter anymore. Barely walked anyone (small sample size but IIRC he walked 1 in 5 innings of work when he was previously walking like 1 guy per inning). The injury stuff has always been a concern, but then it also was for Crochet and he’s leading the AL (maybe mlb) in innings pitched. I don’t think his stuff is diminished, he’s just learning new things and maybe didn’t absorb all of it immediately. I’d be more worried about Hagen who’s looking a little relievery if he can’t get his command under control. Least we got Oppor and Murphy out of no where to compensate. Oppor has very good stuff. Murphy is kinda like Thorpe with a better pitch mix (and less elite change up). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted September 16 Share Posted September 16 6 hours ago, nrockway said: Tbh he looked good his last two starts after he came back from the same injury. The velocity is there. His slider looks a little out of wack. He doesn’t throw a cutter anymore. Barely walked anyone (small sample size but IIRC he walked 1 in 5 innings of work when he was previously walking like 1 guy per inning). The injury stuff has always been a concern, but then it also was for Crochet and he’s leading the AL (maybe mlb) in innings pitched. I don’t think his stuff is diminished, he’s just learning new things and maybe didn’t absorb all of it immediately. I’d be more worried about Hagen who’s looking a little relievery if he can’t get his command under control. Least we got Oppor and Murphy out of no where to compensate. Oppor has very good stuff. Murphy is kinda like Thorpe with a better pitch mix (and less elite change up). Is that good enough for even fourth place next year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted September 16 Share Posted September 16 44 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: Is that good enough for even fourth place next year? Maybe...maybe not. All depends on what the Twins do or don't do this off season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nrockway Posted September 16 Share Posted September 16 2 hours ago, caulfield12 said: Is that good enough for even fourth place next year? non-sequitur 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted September 16 Share Posted September 16 2 hours ago, nrockway said: non-sequitur If Oppor and Murphy are who the Sox are re lying on to take "next steps" if Schultz and Smith have further set backs...even catching the Twins in 2026 seems like a pipe dream. I'm not sure that we feel confident about any of our current starting lineup being around in 2028 other than Colson Montgomery (hopefully) somewhere, the two catchers and Braden in RF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldsox Posted September 16 Share Posted September 16 14 hours ago, nrockway said: Tbh he looked good his last two starts after he came back from the same injury. The velocity is there. His slider looks a little out of wack. He doesn’t throw a cutter anymore. Barely walked anyone (small sample size but IIRC he walked 1 in 5 innings of work when he was previously walking like 1 guy per inning). The injury stuff has always been a concern, but then it also was for Crochet and he’s leading the AL (maybe mlb) in innings pitched. I don’t think his stuff is diminished, he’s just learning new things and maybe didn’t absorb all of it immediately. I’d be more worried about Hagen who’s looking a little relievery if he can’t get his command under control. Least we got Oppor and Murphy out of no where to compensate. Oppor has very good stuff. Murphy is kinda like Thorpe with a better pitch mix (and less elite change up). Why not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nrockway Posted September 16 Share Posted September 16 (edited) 1 hour ago, oldsox said: Why not? Better in the long run maybe? I don't totally get it, it seems like a good pitch. They should just let him be himself. Edited September 16 by nrockway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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