Being bad doesn't = Rebuilding

[southsider2k5]

9 hours ago, tray said:

My God. Get an education and a job instead of spending endless hours trying to prove something as an internet troll.

 

Look, you are mad about Jerry and the Sox I get it, but treating Jerry as if he is the dumbest person on the planet somehow getting taken advantage of by the intellectually superior Ishbia is a ridiculous trope.  Jerry has been doing this for a long time.  He was private equity before this dude was born.  Jerry knows full well what he is doing when he sits down in a board room and negotiates a deal for the future of this franchise.  He didn't leave out the part where someone is responsible for day to day operations of his two billion dollar investment, and what financial obligations each side has to this structure during the various phases of the deal.  He didn't forget to negotiate an end price in a deal for selling the White Sox, in the deal where he is agreeing to sell the White Sox.  I don't know why you keep making this absurd allegations which paint Jerry to be some sort of a buffoonish country bumpkin being taking advantage of by a cartoon villain twirling his mustache as he takes advantage of poor ignorant Jerry.  It's probably just some weird coping mechanism to push blame away from the current state of this franchise, but none of it is true.

If you believe even a small fraction of these posts you make, it is you who needs an education.  Again, as you scream at everyone else, take your own advice and quit namecalling and trolling everyone who doesn't agree with you.  

[nrockway]

5 hours ago, Kyyle23 said:

I cannot figure out for the life of me why JR checking out is good for the Sox.  They are about to run a sub 50M payroll.  Getz has already said they aren’t gonna be doing much in free agency.  Trades aren’t gonna be bringing in stars.  

I think you misunderstand what I meant. I'm talking about JR playing GM and doing things like hiring Tony La Russa. JR has had his fingerprints over baseball operations since he's been around and now he seems to let the GM have free reign. Whether that's due to old age, selling the team or a genuine willingness to try something different, I have no idea, I'm not a mind reader.

I do enjoy how that 'play for second place' quote is received differently nowadays around here evidently. We used to all resonate over how stupid of a thing it was. How JR doesn't desire to win but desires to profiteer. 

6 hours ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

Teams trying to come in second place will inherently come in first with some frequency.

A team who doesnt even care about producing an MLB product will not come in first ever.

This is entertainment. Some fans may have unreasonable expectations but it doesn't take away from the fact that competitive teams play way more entertaining games, which is the name of the game. Fans that are bitching about not winning the world series every year are still engaged and watching games all year..theyre expectations dont make them disinterested. Thats what losing does and having no meaningful games throughout the entire year. 

I always love how youre so critical of Arturas and other GMs in the city while you stan for Getz. Arturas failed trying to actually win. Investing in the team but with the wrong guys. Thats far better than not even trying which is what the Sox are doing today.

Yeah, I'm pretty consistent about the bolded point. AK went all in one year, it failed because of poor talent evaluation and it jettisoned the future by perpetually trading first round draft picks for has beens. He continues to double down on this horrible strategy leaving the Bulls in NBA hell. I was excited that first season of going 'all in', but it was an unabashed failure. "At least he tried" isn't good enough. Instead of giving up first rounders (and more) for Vucevic, DeRozan, Lonzo Ball, they should've traded Zach Lavine at the height of his trade value. They might've gotten a king's ransom for him like OKC got for Paul George. I'd criticize the Sox/Getz for not doing the same thing with Luis Robert after 2023. I might criticize the Cease return, but I think teams actually valued him appropriately and the jury is out on any of the players returned in that deal (though it's not looking promising). 

I don't 'stan' Getz, I think it's too early to genuinely know if he's good at the job or not, but I very much appreciate that the White Sox operate far differently than the Stone Age Hahn/Kenny teams. Operate in a similar way that most winning franchises do in this day in age. I've provided a few 'bottomfeeder to good' teams as examples of this process. Are the White Sox those teams? It's too early to say, but the framework and ideation is similar. Good organizational hires who have seemed to make an impact. As stated, I'd change my tune if we're not winning by 2027 and signing real players next offseason. That seems like an aggressive timeframe for a baseball rebuild if anything.

I think it's a reasonable perspective for fans to want to watch a 'competitive' team that plays .500ish baseball. It's fun to go to a game or turn on the TV and maybe see a win. The Bulls capture these sorts of fans, the JR quote I cited is rooted in that feeling. But for some reason, I think forum posters and 'diehards' do not necessarily share that perspective. We're entertained regardless or we would've be talking all this s%*# on the internet lol. Good or bad, there's always something to discuss. We haven't tuned out of the Sox. I'm actually tuning back into the Bulls next season, they have a couple of young players whose development I'd like to watch and they played a lot better after finally getting rid of Zach.

There seems to be some philosophical differences between rebuilding and treadmilling. If I the GM, I'd follow a similar 'tanking' path where it seems to me you'd do what the Royals did to produce the team they have currently. They've had OK teams the last two years, right? But they're pretty much tapped out and are missing the postseason this year. The Twins followed a similar route and I think they might break the Sox record next season. Teams that aren't the Yankees and Dodgers don't go from treadmill to great. You simply have to build it internally.

[WestEddy]

41 minutes ago, nrockway said:

I don't 'stan' Getz, I think it's too early to genuinely know if he's good at the job or not, but I very much appreciate that the White Sox operate far differently than the Stone Age Hahn/Kenny teams.

"Stanning for Getz" means not expressing crushing embarrassment over the Sox churning through 30 pitchers last year. Or just not agreeing with the guy saying that. I am interested to watch how a different approach plays out without being regularly challenged to become negative over a waiver wire claim not turning into a solid regular. 

[CaliSoxFanViaSWside]

On 9/26/2025 at 4:43 AM, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

I keep reading that the Sox are rebuilding so their record doesn't matter. The White Sox are not rebuilding, they're simply bad. 

Baseball has changed dramatically, and while people keep pointing to the Astros as a case of a team who was very bad and got good, they share nothing in common with the current White Sox.

During the Astros "rebuild" years, they were able to draft at the top of the draft every one - unlike today. During the Astros rebuild, they had a top 10 farm system in baseball from 2012 to 2019! Seven straight years, with 4 being in the top 5. The White Sox, who have the 2nd worst record in baseball, don't even have a top 15 system today. 

Plenty of teams are just bad, and the majority of teams who are really bad don't become very good with those group of players. 

The White Sox are one of the laughing stocks of baseball, yet some fans believe their used car salesman GM that he's turning the organization around.

Lastly, people claiming the Sox stopped spending on players so they could reallocate resources crack me up. The cost of the things the Sox have invested in are likely less than 5 million dollars total. Not even the cost of one player. 

The White Sox organization and fan base is dying, but some here love the direction the team is heading. It's is absolutely fascinating. To all the rebuild claimers, what are the White Sox rebuilding around? What is their edge in the market? What advantage do they have? The answer to anyone who is being honest is nothing.

 

Against my better judgement I will respond . These are dark times for the franchise and moreso for the fanbase. 

Some of us love our ugly step child and accentuate positive things going on while some of you decide beating the kid is necessary and then claim our positive parenting skills are delusional. 

i dont think tough love has been hailed as great parenting very much but its pretty popular with bad sports team. 

Let us love our team our way and you can keep your love/hate relationship in tact finding comfort knowing that your voices will always be the majority opinion . 

Seriously why does it matter to you when you're the majority ? Are you not happy until we all adopt the same way of thinking or worse. You know in real life I'd be afraid with you guys in charge.

Are you running for office ? Let's pile on the minority once again !! The Fire Getz thread isn't enough I guess.

 

 

[CaliSoxFanViaSWside]

On 9/26/2025 at 7:30 AM, bmags said:

I think I'd say the reason I'd be especially skeptical that Getz will work is for the White Sox to work he'll need to be uniquely good at getting B/C level free agents to be successful and even the Dodgers struggle on that on a year to year basis.

But the sox don't have a choice unless this is the greatest drafting and developing team in the league. And I'm skeptical.

Not only what you said but he'd also have to be uniquely good at winning trades in a climate where other GM have recognized the higher value of position player prospects . Frankly he'd have to be uniquely good at so many things to overcome JR preparing the Sox for sale so the kids don't inherit too much debt that all we can do is say well he's learning, he's trying but without funds he's doomed to failure because their is no such GM who wins most of his trades or picks all the right cheap free agents or makes all the right  choices in the draft or signing international players. 

And yes despite reports to the contrary we do recognize all the obstacles preventing anything from succeeding for any length of time. We just hope enough infrastruture can be laid down and progress made after bottoming out to give the new owner an easier path to success. That's not hard to understand is it ? Apparently it is so these kind of threads need to point out the obvious that despite progress there's a way to go before the dark days are over. Seriously,  if you're looking for any sustained winning resulting in multiple championships or more playoff appearances youre looking at the wrong franchise for the last 125 years.  

Edited September 27 by CaliSoxFanViaSWside

[champagne030]

55 minutes ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said:

Against my better judgement I will respond . These are dark times for the franchise and moreso for the fanbase. 

Some of us love our ugly step child and accentuate positive things going on while some of you decide beating the kid is necessary and then claim our positive parenting skills are delusional. 

i dont think tough love has been hailed as great parenting very much but its pretty popular with bad sports team. 

Let us love our team our way and you can keep your love/hate relationship in tact finding comfort knowing that your voices will always be the majority opinion . 

Seriously why does it matter to you when you're the majority ? Are you not happy until we all adopt the same way of thinking or worse. You know in real life I'd be afraid with you guys in charge.

Are you running for office ? Let's pile on the minority once again !! The Fire Getz thread isn't enough I guess.

 

 

For the love of God, the Sox are not someone's child.  Jerry and Getz are grown ass men, very highly compensated to do a job.  They fail miserably and are certainly open to criticism and mockery.  Sorry/not sorry that I'm not going to blow sunshine up their asses.

[WestEddy]

32 minutes ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said:

Not only what you said but he'd also have to be uniquely good at winning trades in a climate where other GM have recognized the higher value of position player prospects .

Winning trades is the area where Getz really has to pick it up. While most of what he did wasn't as catastrophic as some here bemoaned, being able to plug in Fletcher and get replacement production would have been a Godsend on last year's team. 

I do like that he didn't just dump players to make trades this year. When you take the best bad offer, you're still taking the garbage the other team wants to foist on you. 

[Timmy U]

Made my first foray into naming everyone who played for the Sox this year. I think it’s 61 and I got 48 just off the top of my head and a few more came to me after banging my head against a nearby wall. Tough ones for me were Jankowski, Greg Jones, Gage Workman, Justin Dunn, Elvis Peguero, and surprisingly Nastrini. Sox went through 28 pitchers and an amazing 33 position players.  That statistic alone tells you they sucked.

[Look at Ray Ray Run]

1 hour ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said:

Against my better judgement I will respond . These are dark times for the franchise and moreso for the fanbase. 

Some of us love our ugly step child and accentuate positive things going on while some of you decide beating the kid is necessary and then claim our positive parenting skills are delusional. 

i dont think tough love has been hailed as great parenting very much but its pretty popular with bad sports team. 

Let us love our team our way and you can keep your love/hate relationship in tact finding comfort knowing that your voices will always be the majority opinion . 

Seriously why does it matter to you when you're the majority ? Are you not happy until we all adopt the same way of thinking or worse. You know in real life I'd be afraid with you guys in charge.

Are you running for office ? Let's pile on the minority once again !! The Fire Getz thread isn't enough I guess.

 

 

Pal, this is a baseball team not a child. Get it together.

Apologies for forcing you to click on this thread and thank you so much for blessing me with your response. 

[WestEddy]

4 minutes ago, Timmy U said:

Made my first foray into naming everyone who played for the Sox this year. I think it’s 61 and I got 48 just off the top of my head and a few more came to me after banging my head against a nearby wall. Tough ones for me were Jankowski, Greg Jones, Gage Workman, Justin Dunn, Elvis Peguero, and surprisingly Nastrini. Sox went through 28 pitchers and an amazing 33 position players.  That statistic alone tells you they sucked.

Detroit went through 37 pitchers this year. 

[Timmy U]

I was wrong. It’s 62. Also forgot Palisch. Number of pitchers is not crazy, but 33 hitters is insane.

[caulfield12]

6 hours ago, nrockway said:

I think you misunderstand what I meant. I'm talking about JR playing GM and doing things like hiring Tony La Russa. JR has had his fingerprints over baseball operations since he's been around and now he seems to let the GM have free reign. Whether that's due to old age, selling the team or a genuine willingness to try something different, I have no idea, I'm not a mind reader.

I do enjoy how that 'play for second place' quote is received differently nowadays around here evidently. We used to all resonate over how stupid of a thing it was. How JR doesn't desire to win but desires to profiteer. 

Yeah, I'm pretty consistent about the bolded point. AK went all in one year, it failed because of poor talent evaluation and it jettisoned the future by perpetually trading first round draft picks for has beens. He continues to double down on this horrible strategy leaving the Bulls in NBA hell. I was excited that first season of going 'all in', but it was an unabashed failure. "At least he tried" isn't good enough. Instead of giving up first rounders (and more) for Vucevic, DeRozan, Lonzo Ball, they should've traded Zach Lavine at the height of his trade value. They might've gotten a king's ransom for him like OKC got for Paul George. I'd criticize the Sox/Getz for not doing the same thing with Luis Robert after 2023. I might criticize the Cease return, but I think teams actually valued him appropriately and the jury is out on any of the players returned in that deal (though it's not looking promising). 

I don't 'stan' Getz, I think it's too early to genuinely know if he's good at the job or not, but I very much appreciate that the White Sox operate far differently than the Stone Age Hahn/Kenny teams. Operate in a similar way that most winning franchises do in this day in age. I've provided a few 'bottomfeeder to good' teams as examples of this process. Are the White Sox those teams? It's too early to say, but the framework and ideation is similar. Good organizational hires who have seemed to make an impact. As stated, I'd change my tune if we're not winning by 2027 and signing real players next offseason. That seems like an aggressive timeframe for a baseball rebuild if anything.

I think it's a reasonable perspective for fans to want to watch a 'competitive' team that plays .500ish baseball. It's fun to go to a game or turn on the TV and maybe see a win. The Bulls capture these sorts of fans, the JR quote I cited is rooted in that feeling. But for some reason, I think forum posters and 'diehards' do not necessarily share that perspective. We're entertained regardless or we would've be talking all this s%*# on the internet lol. Good or bad, there's always something to discuss. We haven't tuned out of the Sox. I'm actually tuning back into the Bulls next season, they have a couple of young players whose development I'd like to watch and they played a lot better after finally getting rid of Zach.

There seems to be some philosophical differences between rebuilding and treadmilling. If I the GM, I'd follow a similar 'tanking' path where it seems to me you'd do what the Royals did to produce the team they have currently. They've had OK teams the last two years, right? But they're pretty much tapped out and are missing the postseason this year. The Twins followed a similar route and I think they might break the Sox record next season. Teams that aren't the Yankees and Dodgers don't go from treadmill to great. You simply have to build it internally.

It's going to take the Twins trading away Buxton, Lopez, Ryan, etc.

Minnesota still has Lewis, Lee (hasn't lived up to prospect status yet), Keaschall, and an excellent farm system with Top 5 CFer.  Woods-Richardson had a similar season to Shane Smith.

I would pick them for 68-72 wins with where they currently stand.

 

Also, calling out KW despite his team's record from 2000-2012 isn't going to get you anywhere in terms of making Getz look better.

Getz might have brought the White Sox in line with the bottom 1/3rd of the major leagues in terms of organizational processes/systems.

MIGHT have...

Edited September 28 by caulfield12

[nrockway]

28 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

It's going to take the Twins trading away Buxton, Lopez, Ryan, etc.

Minnesota still has Lewis, Lee (hasn't lived up to prospect status yet), Keaschall, and an excellent farm system with Top 5 CFer.  Woods-Richardson had a similar season to Shane Smith.

I would pick them for 68-72 wins with where they currently stand.

 

Also, calling out KW despite his team's record from 2000-2012 isn't going to get you anywhere in terms of making Getz look better.

Getz might have brought the White Sox in line with the bottom 1/3rd of the major leagues in terms of organizational processes/systems.

MIGHT have...

I love what Ken accomplished. But he never seemed to get with the modern times. Hahn had his moments too. It was time to move on from garpax too. Although it appears to me that garpax was better at the job than AK and it seems to me that Getz is better than Kenny/hahn. Just my impression. Yet to be proven right?

[Timmy U]

One last crazy stat: Sox used a franchise record 63 players in 2024, then 62 in 2025. By my calculations, due to injuries and churn only 19 guys appeared in both years. That means Sox fans watched 106 different players play for the team in the last 2 years.

[caulfield12]

"Some of us love our ugly step child and accentuate positive things going on while some of you decide beating the kid is necessary and then claim our positive parenting skills are delusional."

 

Equating being child abusers to being realistic about the White Sox...well, that's a new one for me.

Isn't just giving the White Sox a "participation trophy" instead of expecting a standard of excellence to be set everything that's supposedly wrong with parents today? 

Wanting to be friends with our kids instead of being firm and setting clearly demarcated boundaries? 

Unconditional support in any situation isn't always beneficial, either.

Should we tolerate beating step-children if they're not our own kids biologically, lol?  

[Look at Ray Ray Run]

Ken Williams had 3 losing seasons in 12 years as GM and never lost more than 90 games. 

[caulfield12]

1 hour ago, nrockway said:

I love what Ken accomplished. But he never seemed to get with the modern times. Hahn had his moments too. It was time to move on from garpax too. Although it appears to me that garpax was better at the job than AK and it seems to me that Getz is better than Kenny/hahn. Just my impression. Yet to be proven right?

Getz can't possibly be better than the GM with the best winning percentage since the 1950's/60's with the Sox until he actually wins something...or at least gets this franchise back over .500.

And not waiting until 2028 to actually compete would help.

 

Next it's going to be that Getz is somehow better than Stearns if the Mets miss out on the playoffs tmrw.

But by which measure?

Wins per $$$ spent?

The Guardians Rays Brewers Marlins A's etc. are running laps around Getz by that measure.

Edited September 28 by caulfield12

[nrockway]

1 hour ago, caulfield12 said:

Getz can't possibly be better than the GM with the best winning percentage since the 1950's/60's with the Sox until he actually wins something...or at least gets this franchise back over .500.

And not waiting until 2028 to actually compete would help.

 

Next it's going to be that Getz is somehow better than Stearns if the Mets miss out on the playoffs tmrw.

But by which measure?

Wins per $$$ spent?

The Guardians Rays Brewers Marlins A's etc. are running laps around Getz by that measure.

It's about prediction, innit. Ken had an illustrious career in my view, but refused to adapt to the modern game. This is true of a lot of industries.  

re Stearns: literally yes. He has an unlimited budget, this .500 team costs 400 million dollars, and the team is no better than when he took over despite signing a future Hall of Famer in his prime to a massive contract. The only other good players on that team were acquired by the previous regime. We've already discussed this. The Mets would comfortably be in the postseason if they made the pitching moves that Getz did. They could've simply kept Vasil and Orze. Adrian Houser was available to them. Martin Perez could've given them 50+ innings of 3.5 ERA baseball. Dan Altavilla 29 innings at 2.5 ERA. This Mets team has the most pitching staff churn of any team in history, it's their biggest weakness, so why didn't the wunderkind address it? He actually made it worse. 'What would Stearns have done with the White Sox and what would Getz have done with the Mets?' is a fun hypothetical to ponder. Sox Stearns isn't signing Juan Soto. Getz Metz might've kept Vasil around at the very least.

Stearns has done nothing for the Mets which is quite funny. The Brewers are clearly better off without him. Imagine spending 400 million dollars on an MLB team and the Reds are better than you. The Dodgers spend a similar amount and they actually look like it now that all their high-priced are healthy. They won the division. They took a risk on high-priced, injury-prone players, and it appears to be working. They are, to me, the WS favorite yet again. Very little internal talent outside of Pages who is fuckin awesome.

Edited September 28 by nrockway

[caulfield12]

3 hours ago, nrockway said:

It's about prediction, innit. Ken had an illustrious career in my view, but refused to adapt to the modern game. This is true of a lot of industries.  

re Stearns: literally yes. He has an unlimited budget, this .500 team costs 400 million dollars, and the team is no better than when he took over despite signing a future Hall of Famer in his prime to a massive contract. The only other good players on that team were acquired by the previous regime. We've already discussed this. The Mets would comfortably be in the postseason if they made the pitching moves that Getz did. They could've simply kept Vasil and Orze. Adrian Houser was available to them. Martin Perez could've given them 50+ innings of 3.5 ERA baseball. Dan Altavilla 29 innings at 2.5 ERA. This Mets team has the most pitching staff churn of any team in history, it's their biggest weakness, so why didn't the wunderkind address it? He actually made it worse. 'What would Stearns have done with the White Sox and what would Getz have done with the Mets?' is a fun hypothetical to ponder. Sox Stearns isn't signing Juan Soto. Getz Metz might've kept Vasil around at the very least.

Stearns has done nothing for the Mets which is quite funny. The Brewers are clearly better off without him. Imagine spending 400 million dollars on an MLB team and the Reds are better than you. The Dodgers spend a similar amount and they actually look like it now that all their high-priced are healthy. They won the division. They took a risk on high-priced, injury-prone players, and it appears to be working. They are, to me, the WS favorite yet again. Very little internal talent outside of Pages who is fuckin awesome.

Guess Manaea will get one last opportunity on Sunday...against E.Cabrera.

Singer got rocked his last time out for Cincy.

 

Comparing GM's is always a challenge.  The Red Sox had previously missed the playoffs in 2022, 23 and 24, and there was a considerable amount of heat on John Henry.

What did Breslow really do?

Dumped Devers, traded for Crochet, watched Roman Anthony mature in his system...but moves like the Buehler signing as well as Dustin May (-0.7 fWAR) were pretty much atrocious.  Giolito was a bad contract for 1 1/3rd seasons as well.  If you watched the Netflix series, he (Breslow) doesn't come off very well at all...kind of an Ivy League egghead trapped in a LHPer's body.

And if you're going to criticize Stearns for this year, doesn't he also get some credit for having the hottest team in baseball the last 4-6 weeks of 2024, with Jose Iglesias playing like an MVP during that time frame??

For getting the Brewers to the postseason for five out of six years against the Cubs/Cardinals?

And how do we know that Murphy as manager over in MIL isn't just as impactful...subtracting the overhyped Craig Counsell?  After all, the Cubs had all the bigger stars and payroll and hype comparatively, but the Brewers ran away with that division...yes?

Edited September 28 by caulfield12

[Look at Ray Ray Run]

Its funny how Getz gets no blame for Sox performance because he wasnt in charge and inherited the mess.... supposedly.

Yet Stearns didnt sign 95% of the players on the 400 million dollar payroll, yet he's responsible for all of it. In fact, in 2024 Stearns barely spent much money but made some good moves and got the team to the NLCS in his first season at the helm. This year, he signed Soto and Clay Holmes and that's basically it. Extended Pete for 2 years. 

Stearns = responsible for everything that happened before he arrived, took team to NLCS in year one but is called a failure.

Getz = not responsible for anything prior and basically not responsible for any outcomes today, even though hes actually been with the org the entire time, and he's overseen one of the worst stretches in MLB history.

Hilarious the mental gymnastics people will go through here. 

Adding: also funny how Milwaukee continuing on successfully is somehow a negative for Stearns instead of an indicator that he built a well functioning machine that wasn't predicated on the presence of one person.

Edited September 28 by Look at Ray Ray Run

[caulfield12]

Here's another GM to criticize, the Astros' Dana Brown...managed to break the nine year consecutive playoff streakI  Fireable offense?

"Meanwhile, every single one of Houston's big free-agent signings under the current administration has blown up in its face. Josh Hader (five years, $95 million) is hurt and has posted an ERA with the Astros half a run worse than the rest of his career. Christian Walker (three years, $60 million) hit .236/.296/.410 this year, his first in Houston. José Abreu (three years, $58.5 million) was an unmitigated disaster. Rafael Montero (three years, $34.5 million) has posted a 4.81 ERA over the course of the contract and is now playing for the Tigers.

The Astros once had something that worked. They have something different now, by their ownership's choice. So far, it isn't working out."

yahoo sports

 

Apparently advisor Jeff Bagwell is leading the chart away from analytics...which isn't exactly working out too well.

Ofc they also had numerous significant injuries this year...and weren't eliminated until the final weekend.

 

 

Edited September 28 by caulfield12

[WhiteSox2023]

9 hours ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

Ken Williams had 3 losing seasons in 12 years as GM and never lost more than 90 games. 

And he never had a season as bad as Getz’s past two (and first two) seasons as GM.  Getz couldn’t carry Kenny’s jock, much less Stearns’.

Edited September 28 by WhiteSox2023

[Timmy U]

1 hour ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

And he never had a season as bad as Getz’s past two (and first two) seasons as GM.  Getz couldn’t carry Kenny’s jock, much less Stearns’.

Counterpoint: Kenny Williams took over a team that already had Ordonez, Thomas, Konerko, Carlos Lee with Joe Crede on the way. That’s a Hall of Famer, two franchise players, an All Star and an above average regular. Getz inherited the smoking wreckage of a failed rebuild in Anderson, Moncada, Jimenez, and Robert. Kind of a big difference.

[Kyyle23]

11 minutes ago, Timmy U said:

Counterpoint: Kenny Williams took over a team that already had Ordonez, Thomas, Konerko, Carlos Lee with Joe Crede on the way. That’s a Hall of Famer, two franchise players, an All Star and an above average regular. Getz inherited the smoking wreckage of a failed rebuild in Anderson, Moncada, Jimenez, and Robert. Kind of a big difference.

I would argue that KW had a hand in acquiring/developing every one of those players except Thomas.

[champagne030]

23 minutes ago, Kyyle23 said:

I would argue that KW had a hand in acquiring/developing every one of those players except Thomas.

And Getz had a massive hand in that smoking wreckage that he “inherited”.