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40 Man Roster Rule 5 Decisions

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Here’s my theory of what things may look like in a month. Feel free to point out that I am likely very wrong.

 

  1. Mason Adams, rep,
  2. Aldrin Batista, rhp
  3. Prelander Berroa, rhp
  4. * Cam Booser, lhp 
  5. Sean Burke, rhp
  6. *Ky Bush, lhp
  7. Jonathan Cannon, rhp
  8. Juan Carela, rhp
  9. *Fraser Ellard, lhp
  10. Jairo Iriarte, rhp
  11. Yoendrys Gomez, rhp 
  12. Wikelman Gonzalez, rhp
  13. *Bryan Hudson, lhp
  14. Jordan Leasure, rhp 
  15. Davis Martin, rhp 
  16. Tanner McDougal, rhp 
  17. *Shane Murphy, lhp
  18. Peyton Pallette, rhp
  19. Shane Smith, rhp
  20. Grant Taylor, rhp
  21. Drew Thorpe, rhp
  22. Mike Vasil, rhp
  23. Steven Wilson, rhp
  24. Korey Lee, c
  25. #Edgar Quero, c
  26. Kyle Teel, c
  27. #Brooks Baldwin,ss/2b/3b/of
  28. Tim Elko, 1b
  29. Curtis Mead, 1b/3b/2b
  30. Chase Meidroth, inf 
  31. *Colson Montgomery, ss
  32. Bryan Ramos, 3b
  33. Lenyn Sosa, 2b/3b/1b
  34. Miguel Vargas, 1b/3b/dh 
  35. *Andrew Benintendi, of 
  36. Luis Robert, of 
  37. * Mike Tauchman, of (arb 3) 

Rule 5 Eligible but leaving off

  1. *Samuel Zavala, of
  2. Duncan Davitt, rhp
  3. Ben Peoples, rhp%
  4. Eric Adler, rhp%
  5. Adisyn Coffey, rhp%
  6. *Tyler Schweitzer, lhp
  7. Wilfred Veras, of
  8. DJ Gladney, of
  9. Connor McCullough, rhp

 

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  • Sleepy Harold
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    In regards to the Sox, if they were trying to contend and had limited 40-man space to work with, leaving him off would make more sense given the injury. They aren't trying to contend and have plenty o

  • Mason Adams 100% gets taken in the R5 if Sox don’t protect him. He needs to be added to the 40-man. 

  • I left Eisert off this iteration cuz I kinda hate him. You are correct. He probably makes it. Plenty of other guys who could go tho.

Is Eisert a factor here?

Your list looks accurate. I'd give consideration to protecting Coffee, McCullough, Schweitzer (in that order).  None of those guys are that likely to get picked, but I'd hate to lose one in order to save several of the org. talents that they are protecting.   Perhaps the better answer is to not protect any of them (including the org. guys) and leave some spots open for more flexibility for sign or trade

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I left Eisert off this iteration cuz I kinda hate him. You are correct. He probably makes it. Plenty of other guys who could go tho.

21 minutes ago, Timmy U said:

I left Eisert off this iteration cuz I kinda hate him. You are correct. He probably makes it. Plenty of other guys who could go tho.

LOL  
Yea, I'd have Mead off my list for that reason.  
Eisert, Boozer, Wilson...these guys need to have a)good seasons  then b)traded in June or July.  And not for guys who are going to be at the bottom of this list this time, next year.

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1 hour ago, GreenSox said:

Is Eisert a factor here?

Your list looks accurate. I'd give consideration to protecting Coffee, McCullough, Schweitzer (in that order).  None of those guys are that likely to get picked, but I'd hate to lose one in order to save several of the org. talents that they are protecting.   Perhaps the better answer is to not protect any of them (including the org. guys) and leave some spots open for more flexibility for sign or trade

I think the philosophy is to not protect guys who are simply exposed, but guys who could seriously get taken. Mason Adams can be a major league starter. He can be stowed on the 60-day IL, then get his 90 days in the bullpen, and the selecting team has a starting prospect. Coffey ties up a 26-man slot with a pitcher who was walking about 6 per 9 IP at AAA. Most organizations have their own versions of that. 

4 hours ago, GreenSox said:

Is Eisert a factor here?

Your list looks accurate. I'd give consideration to protecting Coffee, McCullough, Schweitzer (in that order).  None of those guys are that likely to get picked, but I'd hate to lose one in order to save several of the org. talents that they are protecting.   Perhaps the better answer is to not protect any of them (including the org. guys) and leave some spots open for more flexibility for sign or trade

Nobody is picking any of those guys. It would be a waste to start their clocks  

I thought Schultz had to be protected. Wasn't he 19 when drafted?

1 hour ago, oldsox said:

I thought Schultz had to be protected. Wasn't he 19 when drafted?

Schultz is R5 eligible next year. Colson was 19 when he was drafted, Noah was 18.

23 hours ago, Timmy U said:

I left Eisert off this iteration cuz I kinda hate him. You are correct. He probably makes it. Plenty of other guys who could go tho.

I think Jairo Iriarte and Bryan Hudson are probably hanging by a thread. I'd try to sneak Elko through during some heavy waiver wire week activity. But keeping a guy on the 40 man during the off-season is free, so they're not cutting anyone until they have to. 

Adams coming off TJ surgery, I'd think he'd be a safe bet to leave off. Would another team really risk carrying a guy that isn't even necessarily going to be ready to start the year?

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3 minutes ago, CWSpalehoseCWS said:

Adams coming off TJ surgery, I'd think he'd be a safe bet to leave off. Would another team really risk carrying a guy that isn't even necessarily going to be ready to start the year?

I think that is a bonus. Less time on the mlb roster makes it easier to keep him. I think 2 TJS guys were taken in the Rule 5 last year. If you like him, you probably protect. If you question the ceiling and feel he’s replaceable, you roll the dice. I am sort of in between on him cuz I like hard throwers.

25 minutes ago, CWSpalehoseCWS said:

Adams coming off TJ surgery, I'd think he'd be a safe bet to leave off. Would another team really risk carrying a guy that isn't even necessarily going to be ready to start the year?

And he's not THAT good anyway.  If you could grab a top 50 arm that way, sure.  But I am not sure even if fully healthy that Adams is a Rule 5 pick.

34 minutes ago, CWSpalehoseCWS said:

Adams coming off TJ surgery, I'd think he'd be a safe bet to leave off. Would another team really risk carrying a guy that isn't even necessarily going to be ready to start the year?

He'd be more appealing IMO because he could spend a good chunk of time on the 60-day IL to free up that 40-man space until he's ready.

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A Rule 5 Draft pick can be placed on the Major League injured list, but he must be active for a minimum of 90 days to avoid being subject to the aforementioned roster restrictions in the next campaign.

 

29 minutes ago, Timmy U said:

I think that is a bonus. Less time on the mlb roster makes it easier to keep him. I think 2 TJS guys were taken in the Rule 5 last year. If you like him, you probably protect. If you question the ceiling and feel he’s replaceable, you roll the dice. I am sort of in between on him cuz I like hard throwers.

But he has to stay on the active roster for the team that claims him for 90 days. So you're looking at a team rehabbing him in ST, then somehow working him back immediately into a MLB bullpen to hit the minimum days required. I just can't see it being a possibility with the amount of arms out there that are more likely to be selected and healthier.

53 minutes ago, Timmy U said:

I think that is a bonus. Less time on the mlb roster makes it easier to keep him. I think 2 TJS guys were taken in the Rule 5 last year. If you like him, you probably protect. If you question the ceiling and feel he’s replaceable, you roll the dice. I am sort of in between on him cuz I like hard throwers.

I think you have to have them on the roster for a certain amount of time though. Can’t just stash on IL all season or as long as you wish.

25 minutes ago, Sleepy Harold said:

He'd be more appealing IMO because he could spend a good chunk of time on the 60-day IL to free up that 40-man space until he's ready.

 

They still have to open a 40 man roster spot for him until the end of spring training when the 60 day IL opens 

24 minutes ago, CWSpalehoseCWS said:

But he has to stay on the active roster for the team that claims him for 90 days. So you're looking at a team rehabbing him in ST, then somehow working him back immediately into a MLB bullpen to hit the minimum days required. I just can't see it being a possibility with the amount of arms out there that are more likely to be selected and healthier.

When did he have the TJ surgery?

23 minutes ago, CWSpalehoseCWS said:

But he has to stay on the active roster for the team that claims him for 90 days. So you're looking at a team rehabbing him in ST, then somehow working him back immediately into a MLB bullpen to hit the minimum days required. I just can't see it being a possibility with the amount of arms out there that are more likely to be selected and healthier.

I dont believe he has to stay on the active roster at all. The 90 days would be for not to have the rule 5 rules come into play the following year. 

22 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

They still have to open a 40 man roster spot for him until the end of spring training when the 60 day IL opens 

Correct, a bad team could make that work easily IMO. 

34 minutes ago, Buehrle>Wood said:

I dont believe he has to stay on the active roster at all. The 90 days would be for not to have the rule 5 rules come into play the following year. 

He does. Unless I’m misunderstanding 

Edited by Bob Sacamano

You're correct. Time (at least 90 days) needs to be spent on the active roster in order for that team to gain control of said player sans R5 selection rules. 

2 hours ago, Buehrle>Wood said:

I dont believe he has to stay on the active roster at all. The 90 days would be for not to have the rule 5 rules come into play the following year. 

I believe he could theoretically stay "hurt" all year, but then he has all the requirements of a R5 again for the following 2027 season. No team is going to do that unless the guy is Skenes level. Plus, is there even going to be a 2027 season? So 2028... I joke, but...

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2 hours ago, Bob Sacamano said:

When did he have the TJ surgery?

April 2nd.

Great thread. Thanks. Most people that start this type of thread think they should be GM. Appreciate the humility here.

16 hours ago, Sleepy Harold said:

Correct, a bad team could make that work easily IMO. 

But why?  Nothing about Adams screams a guy you have to lock down a roster spot for a year for, especially with injury.  

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