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17 minutes ago, Ozzie for Manager said:

He did come back in the ncaa tourney and was dominant. I was at the game.  Lots of teams missed.  

ECU not the SEC but have the 6th most active major leaguers now. With 8. Some damn good pitchers. 

Gavin williams

Alec burleson

Jeff hoffman 

Shawn Armstrong

Carson whisenhunt

Zach agnos

Connor norby 

 

Reminds me of the parity increasing through NIL across the college football landscape this season.

I went to Georgia Southern for grad school in the 90s and they had a great baseball/fb tradition at that time for a small school...guys like Todd Greene and pitcher Chris Beck.

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https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/mlb/2025/04/02/2025-mlb-team-payrolls-highest-lowest/82751012007/

AL East #3/5/12/15  TB irrelevant

AL Central #17/18/20/25/29

You can pretty much cancel the Rays Twins and White Sox from competing at all.  Set their 2026 postseason odds at 0.1%.

Tarik Skubal will never remain in Detroit when they're already $250 million apart in extension discussions.

That leaves just Bobby Witt, Jr. and Jose Ramirez as Central stars.

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21 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

Reminds me of the parity increasing through NIL across the college football landscape this season.

I went to Georgia Southern for grad school in the 90s and they had a great baseball/fb tradition at that time for a small school...guys like Todd Greene and pitcher Chris Beck.

Wichita state and Rice were 2 schools that come to mind also.  When the SEC decided they wanted to dominate baseball it hurt a lot of schools.  Arkansas bought Zach Root from ECU and he wasn't high in the draft this year.  And auburn bought our left fielder last year.  Trey was offered i heard 250k but wake forest but wouldn't leave ECU and his pitching coach.  

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10 hours ago, caulfield12 said:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/mlb/2025/04/02/2025-mlb-team-payrolls-highest-lowest/82751012007/

AL East #3/5/12/15  TB irrelevant

AL Central #17/18/20/25/29

You can pretty much cancel the Rays Twins and White Sox from competing at all.  Set their 2026 postseason odds at 0.1%.

Tarik Skubal will never remain in Detroit when they're already $250 million apart in extension discussions.

That leaves just Bobby Witt, Jr. and Jose Ramirez as Central stars.

Baltimore will be irrelevant in the NL East next year.  They are not spending. 

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14 hours ago, caulfield12 said:

Jerry Reinsdorf must be unhappy that the Jays are going to knock back the mid and small market owners' arguments against the Dodgers' "Evil Empire" ruining baseball.

But legit rivalries are actually good for the sport.

Why would Jerry Reinsdorf be unhappy if a large market team beats a super large market team to win the World Series?   First of all, he's on his way out as an owner anyway and is not even close to being the ringleader he was 30 years ago.  Second, I seriously doubt a Toronto World Series win is going to cause the competitive balance issue to collapse.  

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3 minutes ago, 77 Hitmen said:

Why would Jerry Reinsdorf be unhappy if a large market team beats a super large market team to win the World Series?   First of all, he's on his way out as an owner anyway and is not even close to being the ringleader he was 30 years ago.  Second, I seriously doubt a Toronto World Series win is going to cause the competitive balance issue to collapse.  

Toronto is about as close to a mirror image of Chicago as exists in this hemisphere.  About the same size and history.  If they can win, Jerry should be able to.

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22 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

Toronto is about as close to a mirror image of Chicago as exists in this hemisphere.  About the same size and history.  If they can win, Jerry should be able to.

Or Seattle, for that matter.

Twenty plus years of largely disappointing results...the main difference ibeing their stadium and control of nearly the entire Seattle/Vancouver/Portland region.

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50 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

Toronto is about as close to a mirror image of Chicago as exists in this hemisphere.  About the same size and history.  If they can win, Jerry should be able to.

Definitely.  It's Jerry Reinsdorf who turned the White Sox from a large market team into essentially a "small market team within a large market" through his decades of short sidedness and unwillingness to invest properly in the team.

My point in response to @caulfield12was that Toronto winning the World Series isn't going to be something Jerry is going to be mad about because it somehow debunks the competitive balance argument.  

....unless the point was that Jerry will be mad because Toronto's success makes him look bad.  While true such a win should be a reality check for JR, I really think he lacks the self-awareness to be mad or embarrassed by Toronto's success compared to his failure.  

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41 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

Or Seattle, for that matter.

Twenty plus years of largely disappointing results...the main difference ibeing their stadium and control of nearly the entire Seattle/Vancouver/Portland region.

I know we're off topic here, but at least it's an off day for the World Series.

With Seattle's success this year and the Padres making the playoffs 4 times this decade, there really aren't many teams that can claim the same level of futility over the last 20 years as the White Sox.  The Pirates, Marlins, Rockies, A's, Angels.....anyone else?  Unfortunately, I doubt JR feels any embarrassment about that.

Better stadium and owning the entire region are a huge plus for the M's over the Sox.  We already have a stadium thread and I'm not going to get into that here.

I suppose if we really had to put MLB teams into large, mid, or small market teams, I would say Seattle is middle market.  Perhaps San Diego and Colorado, too.  I used to think of the Cardinals as being a middle market team thanks to their huge fan base and their old $1B RSN deal.  But with the collapse of the RSN model, they've slipped into small market status now.  

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1 hour ago, 77 Hitmen said:

I know we're off topic here, but at least it's an off day for the World Series.

With Seattle's success this year and the Padres making the playoffs 4 times this decade, there really aren't many teams that can claim the same level of futility over the last 20 years as the White Sox.  The Pirates, Marlins, Rockies, A's, Angels.....anyone else?  Unfortunately, I doubt JR feels any embarrassment about that.

Better stadium and owning the entire region are a huge plus for the M's over the Sox.  We already have a stadium thread and I'm not going to get into that here.

I suppose if we really had to put MLB teams into large, mid, or small market teams, I would say Seattle is middle market.  Perhaps San Diego and Colorado, too.  I used to think of the Cardinals as being a middle market team thanks to their huge fan base and their old $1B RSN deal.  But with the collapse of the RSN model, they've slipped into small market status now.  

One thing that's clear after watching the Brewers get wiped out again.

You can still be in that $100-150 million payroll range like Detroit, Milwaukee and Cleveland and actually make the postseason...but that's where hopes and dreams eventually go to die.

Meanwhile, the Mets, Dodgers, Yankees and Phillies have a lot of soul searching to do this offseason.

 

Those pesky "underdog" Blue Jays are nearly $45 million below the 4th place Phils in spending at $239 million, although they did add Bieber and Scherzer at the deadline.

Cubs Padres Red Sox all between $194-209 million. Seems to be close to a sweet spot.

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If history is any indication, the odds are very much in Toronto's favor.

In a best-of-seven series tied 2-2, the winner of Game 5 has won the series 46 of 68 times (67.6%), according to MLB's Sarah Langs.

In series which have a 2-3-2 format (like this one), teams who take a 3-2 lead by winning Game 5 on the road before returning home for Game 6 and 7 have gone on to to win the series 20 of 27 times (74.1%).

www.si.com

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4 hours ago, caulfield12 said:

If history is any indication, the odds are very much in Toronto's favor.

In a best-of-seven series tied 2-2, the winner of Game 5 has won the series 46 of 68 times (67.6%), according to MLB's Sarah Langs.

In series which have a 2-3-2 format (like this one), teams who take a 3-2 lead by winning Game 5 on the road before returning home for Game 6 and 7 have gone on to to win the series 20 of 27 times (74.1%).

www.si.com

The Blue Jays would become the first expansion team to win 3 WS titles if they can win one more game at the Rogers Centre.

Expansion teams w/ 2 titles:  Astros, Mets, Royals, Blue Jays, and Marlins.  There are two original franchises that have only won 2 WS titles in 120 seasons:  The Phillies and Guardians.

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14 hours ago, caulfield12 said:

If history is any indication, the odds are very much in Toronto's favor.

In a best-of-seven series tied 2-2, the winner of Game 5 has won the series 46 of 68 times (67.6%), according to MLB's Sarah Langs.

In series which have a 2-3-2 format (like this one), teams who take a 3-2 lead by winning Game 5 on the road before returning home for Game 6 and 7 have gone on to to win the series 20 of 27 times (74.1%).

www.si.com

Michael Jordan felt that Game 5 was the most crucial game of any playoff series. 

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8 minutes ago, whitesoxfan99 said:

Inexcusable missed strike 3 on Guerrero on a pitch clearly in the zone.  Ends up huge if Blue Jays end up scoring here now

Clearly in the zone but caught low...rookies just don't get that call against superstars on the road.

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