7 minutes ago, SoCalChiSox said:

Yeah I don't understand Jimmy's logic. Hagen isn't anywhere near ready. The command is still very awful.

Show me someone succeeding at the major league level with 6bb/9

24 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

Show me someone succeeding at the major league level with 6bb/9

There was this fella named Nolan Ryan. He threw a few strikeouts. He averaged 6bb/9 or greater multiple seasons during his career. A certain Randy Johnson had a couple 6bb/9 seasons early in his career.

7 hours ago, southsider2k5 said:

He's not pitching deep into games, and he's walking 2 batter every three innings. It is a dumb idea setting Hagen up to fail.

I think there's an argument that Smith > Kay at this point. At least Smith's stuff will miss bats.

9 hours ago, ron883 said:

There was this fella named Nolan Ryan. He threw a few strikeouts. He averaged 6bb/9 or greater multiple seasons during his career. A certain Randy Johnson had a couple 6bb/9 seasons early in his career.

So you went back a generation and two generations to find guys who did this. Thanks for making my point for me.

16 hours ago, Jake said:

Watching Hagen's starts has been pretty concerning for me.

There's no such thing as a sure thing when it comes to baseball prospects, but I would have said this about Noah Schultz: this is a guy who is not going to implode. Maybe he ends up unsuccessful, but it would likely be due to just giving up too much hard contact (or injury). That said, I'll admit I was feeling dumb after seeing his first MLB inning! But I think that's still basically right for Noah.

Hagen is very different. Of course, he's very talented so he may be successful. But the floor for Hagen would be a major shitshow. Walking everybody while mixing in the occasional blast. Javy Vasquez's worst innings, basically. So from him I want to see more at the AAA level where he doesn't look like the kind of guy who has that kind of downside. Instead, he looks exactly that way every time out, like he's on a knife's edge with his control where it could fall apart at any moment.

Even worse, Hagen's velo is lower than expected and he's shown a notable drop in velo within each outing. He was averaging around 91mph in his last inning in his most recent outing. And mind you, it wasn't like the Sox were really pushing his pitch count! I don't know if he's intentionally dialing it back to try to throw strikes, if he's getting tired, or if he's hurt, but I don't really like any of those explanations.

So Hagen smith is Shane Smith

9 hours ago, ron883 said:

There was this fella named Nolan Ryan. He threw a few strikeouts. He averaged 6bb/9 or greater multiple seasons during his career. A certain Randy Johnson had a couple 6bb/9 seasons early in his career.

He was also a Hall of Famer who threw 100mph

1 hour ago, southsider2k5 said:

So you went back a generation and two generations to find guys who did this. Thanks for making my point for me.

Also more forgivable when you are throwing a true 9Ip

I thought they were limiting his innings so they could get him to focus on his mechanical adjustments in longer bullpen sessions, i dont remember where I heard that, or if I misunderstood.

39 minutes ago, bmags said:

Also more forgivable when you are throwing a true 9Ip

As of today 1 qualified player is above 5, let alone 6. Only 4 are at 4.5/9 or more.

For the Full 2025, the highest number was 4.46. 2024 it was 3.68.

23 hours ago, ron883 said:

You think you know better ChiSoxFanMike?

In all honesty, Hagen probably needs more time to figure out his command issues in the minors. I’m just tired of seeing Kay in the starting rotation. Ideally they move him into the Bido role sooner rather than later and call up one of the kids to replace him. Maybe they give David Sandlin a chance if he strings together a couple good starts in a row in AAA.

2 hours ago, ChiSoxFanMike said:

In all honesty, Hagen probably needs more time to figure out his command issues in the minors. I’m just tired of seeing Kay in the starting rotation. Ideally they move him into the Bido role sooner rather than later and call up one of the kids to replace him. Maybe they give David Sandlin a chance if he strings together a couple good starts in a row in AAA.

Cannon again just sounds hopeless.

Mason Adams at least a month or six weeks away, maybe?

Nowhere near ready imo. He hasnt been stretched out nearly enough nor has his wildness been addressed enough. They should call up the year after he can pitch 140+ innings in the minors

Edited 17 hours ago17 hr by 46DidIt

On 5/4/2026 at 10:31 PM, ron883 said:

There was this fella named Nolan Ryan. He threw a few strikeouts. He averaged 6bb/9 or greater multiple seasons during his career. A certain Randy Johnson had a couple 6bb/9 seasons early in his career.

He was also capable of pitching more than 3 innings 20 times a year. I'm glad you brought up Johnson though, because that is the career arc I have been advocating. Which would put Hagen in rotation in 2028-29 range

Edited 17 hours ago17 hr by 46DidIt