4 hours ago, tomtom823 said:

Jacob Gonzalez helping the Sox again today with an RBI double! Bucs lead 5-1. Someone explain to me why the Sox gave up on this kid?

It was a dumb ass trade. He was starting to really hit the ball with us too. A lefty shortstop with power potential. Traded for a 34th pick... Just an extremely stupid trade. He should have been used for a major leaguer. Getz got bent over in that trade.

2 hours ago, PaleAleSox said:

Extended Danks and it bit us in the ass.

It was also a horrendous decision paying him instead of Buehrle

Sox gained a game on every ALC team today.

4 hours ago, tomtom823 said:

Jacob Gonzalez helping the Sox again today with an RBI double! Bucs lead 5-1. Someone explain to me why the Sox gave up on this kid?

Could the cause be a plethora of talent. ?

8 minutes ago, Lukakke Appling said:

Sox gained a game on every ALC team today.

Wouldn't it be cool if that happened for like 3 straight weeks?

1 hour ago, ron883 said:

It was a dumb ass trade. He was starting to really hit the ball with us too. A lefty shortstop with power potential. Traded for a 34th pick... Just an extremely stupid trade. He should have been used for a major leaguer. Getz got bent over in that trade.

I may have agreed with your take under the prior regime but this one is much better at making these kinds of decisions. There is a much better and more thoughtful brain trust at the helm and they decided that this was a trade worth making. At the moment, I don't disagree with it at all. I think calling it an extremely stupid trade is very exaggerated. The truth is that we won't really know for a few years. Measuring it after just a couple of weeks is meaningless due to insufficient data. I have more trust now in these kinds of decisions than I did over the past 20 years.

1 hour ago, ron883 said:

It was a dumb ass trade. He was starting to really hit the ball with us too. A lefty shortstop with power potential. Traded for a 34th pick... Just an extremely stupid trade. He should have been used for a major leaguer. Getz got bent over in that trade.

He got bent over a tree stump, where he grabbed an overflowing pot of gold that will enrich the White Sox for the next ten years. We should all get bent over like that. LOL.

2 hours ago, kitekrazy said:

There's also a higher risk these days with their injuries and the timing of them as well. It's nice they get big money but they are still overpriced.

There's not a lot of people on the planet with the athletic ability to throw a baseball 95+ with control. If there was they wouldn't be getting the money they make.

And agree completely that pitchers get injured a lot more this year for various reasons that experts have been discussing for several seasons which is why the adage "you can never have enough pitching" rings true.

So when you come across pitching, good pitching you need to hang on to it regardless of cost especially if they are younger.

And I've preached for years today you need six, maybe seven competent starters because someone is going to get hurt or slump.

In 1983 the Sox had seven starting pitchers on the roster who won at least 10 games in a big league season.

Man to have that depth today.

2 hours ago, ron883 said:

It was a dumb ass trade. He was starting to really hit the ball with us too. A lefty shortstop with power potential. Traded for a 34th pick... Just an extremely stupid trade. He should have been used for a major leaguer. Getz got bent over in that trade.

It isn't and he wasn't. There are at least 14 better shortstops with better power on this team. Sox fans have been destroying this pick since he was drafted, then he did a Tim Elko impression for a month and he's suddenly a star? It fits a narrative but not necessarily the facts of reality. Gonzalez isn't Tatis or Semien. Even at the time of their respective trades, everyone knew how good those guys could be. Gonzalez though, he's just some guy. I think he'll be a pretty good regular 2.5 WAR kinda guy which was, IMO, the pick to make in that pretty bad draft. With hindsight, there are several better players we could've selected after him. Still not a terrible pick like some on this board made it out to be, but he's also...not really a difference maker and he certainly has no role on this team. I've been loling for a week reading that Gonzalez thread wondering why anyone actually cares all of a sudden. I think it relates to some notion that the Sox rarely have quadruple-a talent to call up and so now we're overvaluing our injury reserve, Zach Remillard type players (I miss Zach) and we forget that a proven path to sustained success is to consistently inject talent into the system at the lowest levels, even if it's risky and means...losing a couple more games at Charlotte.

Getting a first round pick and slot $$ for 'some guy' is terrific value in any sport, particularly good value in a sport like baseball where you can't typically trade picks. Of course, this is one of those things where you can't actually make a judgement for several years, but I have been collecting Sox fan receipts since I started looking at this board, and there's enough evidence that Sox fans are typically wrong and overly emotional.

I would be very interested in looking at a perspective on Gonzalez from someone who was as high as me on him when he was drafted. I liked him better when we didn't have a million guys playing his position who are better than him. I think there's a very good probability that the two guys we were able to draft by trading him will be better MLB players. Does Prosek get overslot value if we don't make the trade? Ignoring Thome's surname, he's a better raw talent than Gonzalez was. It's hard to think about the future, but replacing a bench player/guy who shuffles between AAA and MLB with two potential major talents is just what organizations should be doing even if it doesn't work out. It's the sort of thing that good organizations do. Another thing that good organizations do is make players like Jacob Gonzalez look like trade assets a couple of months after looking like they'd never make MLB.

Anyway, let's reassess in two or three years. Somebody will inevitably necro this thread like they did with the Vargas one and it will be another lesson into the notion that SoxTalk posters have no clue what the f*** they're talking about.