2 minutes ago, hi8is said:

Whoa Nelly.

My prediction is he’s going to the Diamondbacks.

Tampa

1 hour ago, mmmmmbeeer said:

The checkbook is open, why the hell would he choose to spend farm assets instead?

Because we are getting another starter by taking on salary in addition to getting another starter with more prospect capital.

If we go the Peralta route I’d venture to guess that’s our prospect capital buy in the SP market.

1 minute ago, fathom said:

Tampa

Is this confirmed - he's going to Tampa or you are just speculating.

49 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:

Fully disagree on Wolkow. Teams have shifted towards prioritizing youth and ceiling in these types of deals. You say he’s been spinning in circles for a long time, yet he is a 20 year old in High A who has made some strides this year in terms of the K rate. He’s certainly a high variance player who likely amounts to nothing, but the ceiling if it were to click is insane. To think he has zero trade value is just simply wrong IMO.

If is doing some heavy lifting here. Realistically, he's got a better chance of being out of baseball in 3 years than he does being a major league contributor. There's nothing wrong with a guy like this, but he has a LOT of work to do, that he probably won't be able to do.

2 minutes ago, Chisoxfn said:

Is this confirmed - he's going to Tampa or you are just speculating.

Speculating

15 minutes ago, Chisoxfn said:

qualifying offer to either retain him or get back a pick

I thought teams acquiring players in trade that are lost to FA no longer get compensation

Just now, fathom said:

Speculating

Yeah, he’s headed to Tampa to meet up with his new team, the White Sox!!!

Pass. Really dont want to trade legit prospects for a rental especially one who has struggled this year

21 minutes ago, Chisoxfn said:

Maybe building on this, but if he came over and pitched like he has the past few years down the stretch for the Sox, you could go down the route of a qualifying offer to either retain him or get back a pick (so regain some of that capital). Obviously plenty of scenarios where he isn't worth that qualifying offer - but if was becoming a free agent a year ago, I think he would have gotten that offer.

Guys that are traded aren’t eligible for QO’s.

8 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

If is doing some heavy lifting here. Realistically, he's got a better chance of being out of baseball in 3 years than he does being a major league contributor. There's nothing wrong with a guy like this, but he has a LOT of work to do, that he probably won't be able to do.

No doubt…but the same can be said for a toolsy LatAm teenager and those guys still have value. My point isn’t that Wolkow is super valuable, just that he doesn’t have zero value.

3 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:

No doubt…but the same can be said for a toolsy LatAm teenager and those guys still have value. My point isn’t that Wolkow is super valuable, just that he doesn’t have zero value.

Sure, which puts him firmly into a deal like this. It's like when the Sox draft the guy throwing 100 in college, but can't find the strike zone to save his life. Sure IF he puts it together he could be something, and he will get looks because of his loud tool, but the runway for him is much longer than others to get there.

10 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

Sure, which puts him firmly into a deal like this. It's like when the Sox draft the guy throwing 100 in college, but can't find the strike zone to save his life. Sure IF he puts it together he could be something, and he will get looks because of his loud tool, but the runway for him is much longer than others to get there.

And I am willing to put him in this deal.

53 minutes ago, Chisoxfn said:

Maybe building on this, but if he came over and pitched like he has the past few years down the stretch for the Sox, you could go down the route of a qualifying offer to either retain him or get back a pick (so regain some of that capital). Obviously plenty of scenarios where he isn't worth that qualifying offer - but if was becoming a free agent a year ago, I think he would have gotten that offer.

I don't think you can do qualifying offers to midseason acquisitions anymore.

3 hours ago, southsider2k5 said:

This isn't that big of a price. It's two guys outside of the org's top 10 in a middle tier system.

If that's your impression of Boston Smith hitting 1.200 OPS, you should watch more baseball. Pipeline ranks Mathias LaCombe as a better prospect than Smith but he obviously isn't. Maybe we can trick the Mets into taking LaCombe and Lodise instead because the number next to their names is lower.

Or pick up Marco Gonzales for nothing. That's what I would do. A rental with a 5 ERA is closer to a salary dump if you ask me.

Edited 3 hours ago3 hr by nrockway

6 minutes ago, nrockway said:

If that's your impression of Boston Smith hitting 1.200 OPS, you should watch more baseball. Pipeline ranks Mathias LaCombe as a better prospect than Smith but he obviously isn't. Maybe we can trick the Mets into taking LaCombe and Lodise instead because the number next to their names is lower.

Or pick up Marco Gonzales for nothing. That's what I would do. A rental with a 5 ERA is closer to a salary dump if you ask me.

I mean I get the prospect hugging that happens during a deadline, but can we not act like he is the next coming of a sure thing? Even if his bat is for real, we have no idea if he can be a catcher or not.

One problem for Wolkow is an emerging industry view that the skills he is weakest at — contact and swing decisions — are the ones that are hardest to teach. The flip side is that teams increasingly believe that they can squeeze more power out of most players, especially if they have a strong foundation of making good swing decisions. Then you look at Wolkow who has god-tier power but he can't get to it in games because he has to sacrifice everything in order to keep his K rate below 40%. He's a fun target for a team trying to get something for a player who isn't going to have much value. But I just don't see how he could be a major part of a deal for anything besides a depressed-value rental or low-end reliever type.

Some important context for interpreting Winston-Salem statistics this year, by the way: there is an offensive explosion in that league this year. Has to be juiced baseballs or something. League average OPS has jumped from .663 to .767. The league hit 1049 homers last season; this season, there have been 1426 already with over a month to go. This happened to a lesser extent in Kannapolis's low-A league and Birmingham's AA league as well, more like 60 to 80 points of OPS for them. So the table stakes are the back-of-the-baseball-card stats should be up for everybody year over year (note: no change in offense in AAA, which happens to use MLB baseballs).

Edited 3 hours ago3 hr by Jake

15 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

I mean I get the prospect hugging that happens during a deadline, but can we not act like he is the next coming of a sure thing? Even if his bat is for real, we have no idea if he can be a catcher or not.

That's my thing. He's been a pro catcher for all of about 4 months. He's caught about 82 college games, and 4 summer league games. I'm loathe to trade him, also. But he's just barely a catcher. LF/DH? Sure.

In Peralta’s last 4 games he has:

5.1 IP / 7 ER

4.1 IP / 2 ER

4.2 IP / 1 ER

4 IP / 5 ER

If we are looking to UPGRADE our rotation with pitchers that can give us length and keep us in games… I really do not understand why anyone would want this to be one of our new guys.

I wouldn’t give up even Wolkow’s jock strap for him.

What indication do we have that we’re going to get the Peralta of the past?

PASS.

43 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

I mean I get the prospect hugging that happens during a deadline, but can we not act like he is the next coming of a sure thing? Even if his bat is for real, we have no idea if he can be a catcher or not.

Sure, but Peralta sucks. If it's, like, Wolkow and Smith for Goodman...nice knowin ya, guys.

6 minutes ago, Whisox05 said:

Mets doing Mets s%*#. I don't really want this guy unless it's for someone of no real consequence and we eat some salary.

5 minutes ago, nrockway said:

Sure, but Peralta sucks. If it's, like, Wolkow and Smith for Goodman...nice knowin ya, guys.

Apparently Chris Getz doesn't agree with you.

7 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

Apparently Chris Getz doesn't agree with you.

Might be time to bump that Fire Getz thread again.

Here’s your hi8is tinfoil hat post:

The White Sox aren’t interested in Peralta but rather are being used to try drumming up interest from other teams in him.

Our actual targets from the Mets MLB roster that we are scouting are likely in rehab on assignment, in their bullpen, and behind the dish.

Edited 1 hour ago1 hr by hi8is