34 minutes ago, GreenSox said:

Soft-tosser whose home field is in an extreme pitchers park.
We didn't get a prospect like Carlson for Cease or Crochet.

One major league starter in Thorpe, even if he’s a #5 starter, would look like a win at this point with that putrid trade. We might not have even gotten back a prospect that will be as good as Boston Smith in hindsight.

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16 minutes ago, hi8is said:

Repeating value to demonstrate that start wasn’t an aberration is still a valid concern.

True and that was my concern about the trades in general if any of them didn't move the needle much. But the Castillo trade does since he has shown that he is still very capable of being very good. But it also may not move the needle much if Davis Martin can't get his act together and the Sox messed with a guy like Fedde who was actually having success to accommodate Schultz. If you just look at his stuff I lean towards it not being an aberration now that he's back to throwing his change up against LHH.

But this is how it is when you are still searching for a team to win at a better rate than the Sox have been hovering at for 2 months now. It's hard to get all the pieces firing on all cylinders when you have so many guys coming up and still roster churning looking for guys to step up .

It'll work and then it won't and someone you had for a brief time clicks with another team. Mead goes but Peters stays. Sox claim Bryan Hudson from Brewers, Sox trade him to the Mets for cash, then the Mets let him go and the Sox reclaim him all in a 7 month period. Mead traded for Boston SMith. Boston Smith helps get Castillo. Originally Mead (along with Duncan Davitt and Ben Peoples) was traded by the Rays to the Sox for Adrian Houser who was released from the Rangers and the Sox signed for $1.35M 5/20/25. Duncan Davitt got us Joey Bart. Joey Bart getting injured led to claiming Jake Rodgers. Round and round we go.

They also got Shane Smith and Mike Vasil in the Rule 5 both were good for them last year and non factors this year.

58 minutes ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said:

If pitched the best game of his wonderful career to this date doesn't say pretty good trade I don't know what will.

One good start and you're already declaring the trade a victory?

5 minutes ago, ron883 said:

One good start and you're already declaring the trade a victory?

If the Sox don’t win anything this season or next, and Boston Smith turns into a legit major league hitter, this trade will suck. It’s as simple as that.

1 hour ago, GreenSox said:

Soft-tosser whose home field is in an extreme pitchers park.

So what. He’s a sinker baller that neutralizes park factor by keeping the ball on the ground. He has a career rate of 0.8 HR / per 9 at fields known to be hitter friendly.

Compare throwing bullpen games, playing fifth starter craps with a bunch of unproven guys, or having someone else like Webb that you can put at the front of the rotation until 2029.

That is worth the price in my mind. Sets us up as legit contenders to play meaningful post season baseball THIS year and sets us up for the next two years thereafter.

Burke / Webb / Castillo line up perfectly in a 5 game series. Also puts us in a good position for a best of 7.

5 minutes ago, hi8is said:

So what. He’s a sinker baller that neutralizes park factor by keeping the ball on the ground. He has a career rate of 0.8 HR / per 9 at fields known to be hitter friendly.

Compare throwing bullpen games, playing fifth starter craps with a bunch of unproven guys, or having someone else like Webb that you can put at the front of the rotation until 2029.

That is worth the price in my mind. Sets us up as legit contenders to play meaningful post season baseball THIS year and sets us up for the next two years thereafter.

Burke / Webb / Castillo line up perfectly in a 5 game series. Also puts us in a good position for a best of 7.

He also dominated in his 2 postseason starts in 2021, although I doubt he is that same guy these days.

21 minutes ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said:

True and that was my concern about the trades in general if any of them didn't move the needle much. But the Castillo trade does since he has shown that he is still very capable of being very good. But it also may not move the needle much if Davis Martin can't get his act together and the Sox messed with a guy like Fedde who was actually having success to accommodate Schultz. If you just look at his stuff I lean towards it not being an aberration now that he's back to throwing his change up against LHH.

Exactly why they should have gotten another starter before the deadline. It’s been their only inexcusable failure this season IMO.

Ways to shut me the f*** up:

1.) Davis returns to form.

2.) One of Thorpe / Smith / Schultz / Sandlin prove to be viable rotation piece.

3.) Starting pitching isn’t an issue in the post season.

AND

They also get a frontline starting pitcher this offseason via trade or free agency.

19 minutes ago, ron883 said:

One good start and you're already declaring the trade a victory?

Nope it just says what he's capable of to people who say the Sox don't know how to handle pitchers. Got him back on track with the changeup and voila looked better than he had all year with Seattle . The stuff is certainly there. What do you think so far looking good or a disaster ? or wait and see which had always been my stance since I gave my 1st thoughts on the trade.

6 minutes ago, hi8is said:

Exactly why they should have gotten another starter before the deadline. It’s been their only inexcusable failure this season IMO.

Ways to shut me the f*** up:

1.) Davis returns to form.

2.) One of Thorpe / Smith / Schultz / Sandlin prove to be viable rotation piece.

3.) Starting pitching isn’t an issue in the post season.

AND

They also get a frontline starting pitcher this offseason via trade or free agency.

They just weren't going to go out on a limb for a rental . Why do that if the asking prices were absurd ? No one else bit on Detmers and some pretty good prospects were given up for rentals. There's no need to try to sabotage your own efforts to rebuild. Detmers screams Samardzija .

He tried to get as much as he could for as little as he could. That's not a terrible strategy for a team that is lovable but not even close to a juggernaut. Getz was being Getz like still churning the roster looking for an edge. We've been critical of him since he was named GM and so far it's working out ahead of schedule. Why focus on short term wins that you'd be lucky to end up making the playoffs and winning against your 1st opponent at the expense of real team building headed in the the Ishbia years.

I feel like one minute you like what he did and another minute you're talking like 1 more pitcher could've put them in the World Series. Which pitcher did you have in mind who would make a difference ? They've been playing .500 for a few months now. That doesn't scream 1 pitcher away from winning it all. Teams with 15 rookies making debuts advancing very far in the playoffs is a pipe dream. You're feeding the beasts that are saying they should have gone for it only for it to fail and then those beasts laugh and feed like they've been doing. They want the Sox to fail so they can claim victory that they knew they sucked all along. How often have you heard "sucked"or "embarrassing" even this year from them ?

12 minutes ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said:

They just weren't going to go out on a limb for a rental

You’re telling me we couldn’t have beat the package Cleveland sent to DC for Griffin and you would have considered sending a similar package to be “going out on a limb”?

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4 minutes ago, hi8is said:

You’re telling me we couldn’t have beat the package Cleveland sent to DC for Griffin and you would have considered sending a similar package to be “going out on a limb”?

Of course Getz could have, but his sphincter tightened up as Hawk would say. Getz refused to acquire any player at the deadline that didn’t have additional year(s) of control.

FanGraphs Baseball

Foster, for Four People? Guardians Acquire Foster Griffin...

Look, there have been a lot of deals today, so the headlines are getting silly.

“Ah yes, the cost. The Guardians traded Josh Hartle, Will Dion, Kendeglys Virguez, and Nick Mitchell to Washington. At a high level, that’s quantity over quality, three interesting arms and an outfielder, none ranked above a 40 FV.”

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