Gene Honda Civic Posted April 8, 2004 Share Posted April 8, 2004 I know it's only been three games, but there was a ton of questions marks surrounding the top of the order before the season, and over the first three games, none have been answered... -Willie Harris has been on base once in 2 games... .111OBP -Jose has looked down right stupid vs. lefties. -- 0-for-6, 6K's -In three games, Maggs has come to the plate with the bases empty in all three first innings. -The 1 and 2 spots have combined for a .080 avg and an OBP of .120 It looks to me that this is the weakest part of the sox game, not the bullpen, or starting rotation... Am I the only one who see's this lineup an extremely pressing problem?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHarris1 Posted April 8, 2004 Share Posted April 8, 2004 Yeah the top of the order needs to get on base, but would it have really helped in a game like today? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Honda Civic Posted April 8, 2004 Author Share Posted April 8, 2004 Yeah the top of the order needs to get on base, but would it have really helped in a game like today? sure... willie gets on base by any means necessary (HBP could be his best option) he then causes vasquez to concentrate on his position instead of Jose at the plate, this could result in vasquez accidentaly hitting joses bat. If nothing else it takes three pitches to strike out, and willie could steal second, and maybe third before Joses walks back to the bench.... where he's ready to be driven in by maggs or frank... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1549 Posted April 8, 2004 Share Posted April 8, 2004 I would not object to moving C.Lee back to the 2 hole like we did last year. Our lineup would still be plenty deep with Jose or batting 6 or 7. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHarris1 Posted April 8, 2004 Share Posted April 8, 2004 Yeah, I would like the see Carlos at 2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reddy Posted April 8, 2004 Share Posted April 8, 2004 ya know what, i think carlos would be a good fit for #2, but i also like rowand there even more. He's gonna have a break out year and is certainly better than either of the two up there right now. we could always lead off kong since he's obviously developed a helluva lotta speed in the off season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandoFan Posted April 8, 2004 Share Posted April 8, 2004 Roberts. Roberts. Roberts. Roberts. Roberts. Roberts should have been in the Sox uniform yesterday. A huge failure on part of KW. Cannot be overstated. (against RHP) 1.Roberts 2.Valentin/Lee (gainst LHP) 1. Roberts 2. Rowand/Olivo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted April 8, 2004 Share Posted April 8, 2004 It wouldn't matter who was hitting #2 at this point because #1 isn't getting on base period. Jose did get a 9th inning single off Rivera today, which was nice, but the runner obviously got stranded on second because Maggs & Frank & Carlos looked bad in their at bats against him. That's why the Yankees closer is the best there is and no knock on our guys. Jose hasn't looked sharp that's for sure, but he is a guy who can carry the offense when he is hot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quade36 Posted April 8, 2004 Share Posted April 8, 2004 Roberts is like 50, thats assuming you mean bip. Or is it Brian? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiff Posted April 8, 2004 Share Posted April 8, 2004 I knew Harris would suck, I whined about that all offseason, and everyone was like OH GIVE HIM A SHOT. He sucks, flat out. Valentin will never be mistaken for Rod Carew but he should be doing better than this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reddy Posted April 8, 2004 Share Posted April 8, 2004 too bad we cant move crede to short and make gload an everyday player... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rafacosta Posted April 8, 2004 Share Posted April 8, 2004 I know it's only been three games, but there was a ton of questions marks surrounding the top of the order before the season, and over the first three games, none have been answered... -Willie Harris has been on base once in 2 games... .111OBP -Jose has looked down right stupid vs. lefties. -- 0-for-6, 6K's -In three games, Maggs has come to the plate with the bases empty in all three first innings. -The 1 and 2 spots have combined for a .080 avg and an OBP of .120 It looks to me that this is the weakest part of the sox game, not the bullpen, or starting rotation... Am I the only one who see's this lineup an extremely pressing problem?? I think Oz should put Rowand or CLee on second. Harris leading off, just sucks...i have no idea of who to put in the leadoff spot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xero Posted April 8, 2004 Share Posted April 8, 2004 Yeah, Valentin and Willie are the keys to the club for the bigger hitters to get on and score some runs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Honda Civic Posted April 8, 2004 Author Share Posted April 8, 2004 I nominate Aaron Rowand for the #2 hole... Jose's stats -- Last three years.. -Batting 2nd -- .250 avg, .832 OPS -Batting 6th -- .257 avg, .867 OPS -Batting 7th -- .262 avg, .816 OPS Carlos' -- Last three years... -Batting 2nd -- .301 avg, 848 OPS -Batting 3rd -- .286 avg, 983 OPS -Batting 6th -- .272 avg, 771 OPS -Batting 7th -- .272 avg, 788 OPS Aaron's -- Last three years... Batting 2nd -- .385 avg, 898 OPS (177 AB's) Batting 7th -- .243 avg, 683 OPS (152 AB's) Batting 8th -- .224 avg, 630 OPS (143 AB's) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammerhead johnson Posted April 8, 2004 Share Posted April 8, 2004 Yeah, Valentin and Willie are the keys to the club for the bigger hitters to get on and score some runs. say what? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandoFan Posted April 8, 2004 Share Posted April 8, 2004 I knew Harris would suck, I whined about that all offseason, and everyone was like OH GIVE HIM A SHOT. He sucks, flat out. Valentin will never be mistaken for Rod Carew but he should be doing better than this. Harris doesn't suck; Royce Klayton sucks. Harris is simply not a major leaguer. He is beyond suck. Agreed on Jose. He was Sox' best hitter/player this spring. Hit righties, hit lefties, hit for power, drove in runs, took walks, ran bases, committed zero errors, etc.......As soon as the season began, he decided he wants to be a clean-up hitter and basically swings at everything, it's pitiful. With this idiotic approach, pitchers won't throw another strike for the remainder of the season. If he doesn't shape up, Sox are in big trouble. Baltimore was willing to give Roberts for a prospect early in the season. KW is terrible. We should be 3-0 right now and instead we might be 1-6 going into home opener. The divsion could have been ours by the end of May. Damn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aboz56 Posted April 8, 2004 Share Posted April 8, 2004 Put Uribe in the lineup, move Rowand to leadoff, move Lee to 2nd in the order. New Lineup: CF Rowand LF Lee RF Ordonez DH Thomas 1B Konerko SS Valentin 3B Crede C Olivo 2B Uribe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queen Prawn Posted April 8, 2004 Share Posted April 8, 2004 I could deal very well with that line up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
israel4ever Posted April 8, 2004 Share Posted April 8, 2004 I know it's only been three games, but there was a ton of questions marks surrounding the top of the order before the season, and over the first three games, none have been answered... -Willie Harris has been on base once in 2 games... .111OBP -Jose has looked down right stupid vs. lefties. -- 0-for-6, 6K's -In three games, Maggs has come to the plate with the bases empty in all three first innings. -The 1 and 2 spots have combined for a .080 avg and an OBP of .120 It looks to me that this is the weakest part of the sox game, not the bullpen, or starting rotation... Am I the only one who see's this lineup an extremely pressing problem?? I think Jose needs to bat at the bottom of the lineup vs lefties! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OZZ-fest 2004 Posted April 8, 2004 Share Posted April 8, 2004 Harris doesn't suck; Royce Klayton sucks. Harris is simply not a major leaguer. He is beyond suck. Agreed on Jose. He was Sox' best hitter/player this spring. Hit righties, hit lefties, hit for power, drove in runs, took walks, ran bases, committed zero errors, etc.......As soon as the season began, he decided he wants to be a clean-up hitter and basically swings at everything, it's pitiful. With this idiotic approach, pitchers won't throw another strike for the remainder of the season. If he doesn't shape up, Sox are in big trouble. Baltimore was willing to give Roberts for a prospect early in the season. KW is terrible. We should be 3-0 right now and instead we might be 1-6 going into home opener. The divsion could have been ours by the end of May. Damn. It's an impossibility for us to be 1-6 going into the home opener. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queen Prawn Posted April 8, 2004 Share Posted April 8, 2004 It's an impossibility for us to be 1-6 going into the home opener. Nothing is impossible, but some things are highly improbably. Sorry couldn't resist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OZZ-fest 2004 Posted April 8, 2004 Share Posted April 8, 2004 Nothing is impossible, but some things are highly improbably. Sorry couldn't resist. Do you mean like all of a sudden out of thin air we get swept by the Yankees and we get another loss added to our record for good measure? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmmmmbeeer Posted April 8, 2004 Share Posted April 8, 2004 Put Uribe in the lineup, move Rowand to leadoff, move Lee to 2nd in the order. New Lineup: CF Rowand LF Lee RF Ordonez DH Thomas 1B Konerko SS Valentin 3B Crede C Olivo 2B Uribe That's the way to go right there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queen Prawn Posted April 8, 2004 Share Posted April 8, 2004 Do you mean like all of a sudden out of thin air we get swept by the Yankees and we get another loss added to our record for good measure? Yeah, sure, why not. Sounds good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Honda Civic Posted April 8, 2004 Author Share Posted April 8, 2004 Put Uribe in the lineup, move Rowand to leadoff, move Lee to 2nd in the order. New Lineup: CF Rowand LF Lee RF Ordonez DH Thomas 1B Konerko SS Valentin 3B Crede C Olivo 2B Uribe Rowand has batted .279 with a OBP of .311 in 43 career AB's in the #1 spot. While stealing 5 bases in 7 career attempts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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