danman31 Posted April 14, 2004 Share Posted April 14, 2004 2003 lacked heart, this year's team appears to lack a bullpen. Heart won today, but bullpen lost opening day. Granted our 2003 bullpen was nothing spectacular, but as the year went on it became a pretty good bullpen. The team heart this year could be crucial, but that bullpen will keep us from doing anything special unless it improves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnB Posted April 14, 2004 Share Posted April 14, 2004 Heart will keep us in every game, a heart never fails, even a good bullpen fails every once and awhile. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danman31 Posted April 14, 2004 Author Share Posted April 14, 2004 Heart will keep us in every game, a heart never fails, even a good bullpen fails every once and awhile. But a bad one fails once a week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Tizzle Posted April 14, 2004 Share Posted April 14, 2004 Bullpen. Â But there's nothing we can do about it at this point. Any GM willing to trade will exploit our situation, and most likely KW will get duped into giving up too much. Â Williams was confident going into this season that Koch would "rebound" and infact the bullpen could be better than last year. What a f***ing joke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted April 14, 2004 Share Posted April 14, 2004 Give me heart. Players can be added at any time for a price(and this is especially true for relievers). But heart, or, to me atleast, actually giving a s*** about winning and winning a lot, is much, much more important then having a good bullpen. Â Teams will be out at the break and fringe prospects could be traded for solid relievers(KC got Leskanic, Graeme, and Levine for practically nothing last year...those types of pitchers could be all we need). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Be Good Posted April 14, 2004 Share Posted April 14, 2004 Heart, but I think the thing is we had a great bullpen last yr and no heart at all due to Manuel. This season we have a bad or maybe average bullpen with a lot of heart cause of Ozzie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Be Good Posted April 14, 2004 Share Posted April 14, 2004 Heart will keep us in every game, a heart never fails, even a good bullpen fails every once and awhile. Couldn't aggree more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Kickass Posted April 14, 2004 Share Posted April 14, 2004 Why can't we have both? Â Oh yeah, the attendance numbers today would answer that question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goldmember Posted April 14, 2004 Share Posted April 14, 2004 Why can't we have both? Oh yeah, the attendance numbers today would answer that question. what were they? i noted in the game thread that the stadium looked almost empty...  Heart will keep us in every game, a heart never fails, even a good bullpen fails every once and awhile.  i couldn't have said it better... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flippedoutpunk Posted April 14, 2004 Share Posted April 14, 2004 what were they? i noted in the game thread that the stadium looked almost empty... It was a little over 11,000. Oh and BTW, people DO still go to work on weekdays. Not everyone can call in sick whenever they want just to watch a baseball game. I was lucky i got to go today, i only had to miss one class to go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goldmember Posted April 14, 2004 Share Posted April 14, 2004 It was a little over 11,000. Oh and BTW, people DO still go to work on weekdays. Not everyone can call in sick whenever they want just to watch a baseball game. I was lucky i got to go today, i only had to miss one class to go. that still is pretty bad though...especially for the second home game of the year... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnB Posted April 14, 2004 Share Posted April 14, 2004 that still is pretty bad though...especially for the second home game of the year... most 2nd games are really low, for most teams. Most people go to the opener, they're not going to come back the next day, at least most people won't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flippedoutpunk Posted April 14, 2004 Share Posted April 14, 2004 Yeah it was bad, it was weird because all the seats that were in the shade were empty, all the people migrated to the seats where the sun shined. It was freezing if you were in the shade. Our attendance will get better, i dont have any doubts about that, just let the summer weather kick in and let our bats stay hot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnB Posted April 14, 2004 Share Posted April 14, 2004 Yeah it was bad, it was weird because all the seats that were in the shade were empty, all the people migrated to the seats where the sun shined. It was freezing if you were in the shade. Our attendance will get better, i dont have any doubts about that, just let the summer weather kick in and let our bats stay hot. I'll be going to my 2nd game tommorow, just on the fact that it is going to be 70 degrees + MB is pitching. God bless spring break! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goldmember Posted April 14, 2004 Share Posted April 14, 2004 ...just let the summer weather kick in and let our bats stay hot. and may the bullpen get better... Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â ...don't make me beg now... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NUKE_CLEVELAND Posted April 14, 2004 Share Posted April 14, 2004 The 2000 team had heart and so does this one. I think we'll be fine though. Â It couldn't hurt to ditch Billy Botch though. My god he's awful!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flippedoutpunk Posted April 14, 2004 Share Posted April 14, 2004 Screw Billy, everyone cheered him on crazy as he was on his way to the mound, he must like having everyone hate him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnB Posted April 14, 2004 Share Posted April 14, 2004 Screw Billy, everyone cheered him on crazy as he was on his way to the mound, he must like having everyone hate him. i was a little dissapointed that the 'boos' when he left weren't louder, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flippedoutpunk Posted April 14, 2004 Share Posted April 14, 2004 i was a little dissapointed that the 'boos' when he left weren't louder, Aw man they were as loud as they can possibly get with only 11,000 in attendance, trust me. :puke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mathew Posted April 15, 2004 Share Posted April 15, 2004 All the heart in the world won't save this bulls*** pen so far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonkeyKongerko Posted April 15, 2004 Share Posted April 15, 2004 Billy Koch Rick White Gary Glover Matt Ginter Jose Paniagua Mike Porzio Bobby Howry Lorenzo Barcelo Alan Embree Bill Pulsipher  Wow it's been a fun past few years. After all is said and done, I believe Botch will be the most memorable of all these. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heads22 Posted April 15, 2004 Share Posted April 15, 2004 Heart, but I think the thing is we had a great bullpen last yr and no heart at all due to Manuel. This season we have a bad or maybe average bullpen with a lot of heart cause of Ozzie. Our bullpen's not that bad this year. Aside from Koch and ONE bad performance out of Marte, everyone else has been pretty much solid. Yes, Shingo had a bad start....but it's his first time in the MLB. Let's wait more than a friggin' week into a six month + season to make a judgement on our bullpen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NUKE_CLEVELAND Posted April 15, 2004 Share Posted April 15, 2004 Our bullpen's not that bad this year. Aside from Koch and ONE bad performance out of Marte, everyone else has been pretty much solid. Yes, Shingo had a bad start....but it's his first time in the MLB. Let's wait more than a friggin' week into a six month + season to make a judgement on our bullpen. Everybody knows Marte is money and Botch Blows ass. Aside from that I haven't really seen much so I cant say either way. Botch must go though. He can only laugh off so many s***ty performances. Â Here's a memo for Botch by the way. Letting the other team come from behind in the late innings is not funny. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted April 15, 2004 Share Posted April 15, 2004 Heart will keep us in every game, a heart never fails, even a good bullpen fails every once and awhile. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NUKE_CLEVELAND Posted April 15, 2004 Share Posted April 15, 2004 I also think are pen is pretty solid. I lost what ever faith I had in Koch today, but we know Marte is solid, Pollite has been good, when Wunsch comes back it will be a plus, and im starting to warm up to Adkins(not as much a C.Rector though ) Wunsch can be the setup guy when he gets back with Marte Partay as the closer. Too easy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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